Again, illegality is illegality if any, magnitude doesn't matter. To me this episode is odd. I would really like to see these 20,000Euro models.
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Corruption In Rafale Deal Led To Loss Of Rs 21,075 Crore: Congress
Launching a fresh offensive, the Congress demanded answers from Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday over charges of a "middleman" in the Rafale fighter jet deal and sought an independent probe into the matter.
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Political parties has started it again after a brief gap. I fear GOI will not even think about another G2G deal with any other country involving huge sum of money.
Sad part is that our forces will be the ultimate loser.
Corruption In Rafale Deal Led To Loss Of Rs 21,075 Crore: Congress
Launching a fresh offensive, the Congress demanded answers from Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday over charges of a "middleman" in the Rafale fighter jet deal and sought an independent probe into the matter.
Political parties has started it again after a brief gap. I fear GOI will not even think about another G2G deal with any other country involving huge sum of money.
Sad part is that our forces will be the ultimate loser.
Not just the forces. Our whole country.
What are these?
I can't seem to find them on any other pic of Rafale - French or Indian.
Is that something unique to variant?
But the credibility? To bribe with so few money! Bravo Dassault, you manage to corrupt with 1800 times less money than BAE, what an economy!
Look also at the two sides of the engines in the initial two pictures Indian Rafale have something more.
IMO, looks like the airframe was strengthened there due to exessive strain from repeated landings. Or perhaps there was an accident during maintenance.
Those are the LEM-677 chaff dispensers, they're seen on all Rafales but its surprising its not on this picture (of the French rafale)
Maybe removed for maintenance?
Magnitude does matter. In all the corruption and bribery laws they define a limit below which no investigation is done because investigation is more expensive than the actual percieved corruption.
What are you guys smoking? Why would we approach french for LER reactors when we already have HER rectors with access to x10 design expertise of the Russian design bureaus.From french point of view we will try 6 SSN + 72 rafales + 6 MRTT + 100 Panther but the Indian partie will resist
I doubt we are interested in the reactor.
But in technologies like Pumpjet, advanced sonars, photonics mast - certainly.
In a submarine there are noise problems, and it is not sure that Russian reactors are as quiet as French ones.
@randomradio + others - what are the chances of India buying another 36 rafales this year or in 2022??
India is soon going to dismantle all its defence forces, equipment etc as per instruction of great Dabba-wallas of Delhi. The same Dabba-Wallahs negotiated a very tough deal of dis-engagment from China after showing immense fortitude by surrendering commanding positions in Kailash range.
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Though @Hellfire will disagree, but possibly after this frustrating stupidity even he wishes to withdraw from social media on defense discussions. He will close his account on 17th of April. I can totally understand his decision.
In the light of this, More Rafales is a wasteful expense. We are going to unilaterally surrender to China, Pakistan, East Pakistan, Bhutan, Maldives, Srilanka and god damn Astoria if it comes to that. That too without ANY fighting. After all Friendship is Magic!
The IAF should definitely be interested in another batch, so it entirely depends on whether funds are made available or not. And money will be set aside for more Mig-29s and MKIs before more Rafale.
But this year and next year, it's unlikely to happen, there are other pressing demands to be met. Plus during this time the IAF will figure out how best to use the aircraft and whether they need more of the same or something different. The only possibility is 2023 and beyond, and it opens up the F4.2 as an option. Or possibly never if MRFA goes ahead within that time.
Our best option is to buy Rafales in batches of 36. But the IAF doesn't want to go that route, they want MRFA. So it's more than likely that the IAF will press for MRFA as the first priority than get stuck with a second batch of Rafale.
I believe India will definitely get additional rafales, as we already paid $2B in india specific upgrades. Surely, that money justifies that India always had plans for additional rafale. Is that incorrect?
Also, what are the other pressing demands?
Which is not what French 50 cent referring to.
Maybe that why all other matured Navies are using HEU.
As of today, there is exactly zero chance IN going for the French marine reactor and overall design.
Although we paid a lot for the ISEs, the Rafale itself is going through its next evolution with new technologies, making the ISE quite redundant if we go for a new batch. And the IAF is much more interested in holding a tender, so they are likely pushing for other types of aircraft like force multipliers, helicopters etc instead of a second batch. Since the technological aspect of the purchase has already come in, they now need numbers, which is not enough with just a second batch.
There's also the problem that any potential second batch will only consist of the older F3R version instead of F4.2. The IAF obviously has a better view of the bigger picture than we do. They have a better idea of when they want new jets, along with the numbers and the technologies needed, also the time needed for these technologies to become available, aka the F-4.2. The French will get their first F4.2 only in 2027, so that's probably how long the IAF is also willing to wait.
I mean, if the IAF is given the choice of a second F3R batch by 2025-26 with an uncertain future for more orders versus a guaranteed order of 110+ jets or more of the F4.2 version from 2028 onwards, it's obvious what they will pick. They are pushing for the tender because they know they can't deal with the uncertainty created by 5-year elections. And they will also get information and access to all the latest technologies available within the next 5 years that have been in development since the previous tender trials.
Force multipliers, artillery, infantry modernisation, helicopters, transport aircraft etc. It's an endless list.
As pointed out before, with 36 Rafales, 40+83 LCAs, 33 Mig-29s and MKIs and at least one-third to half of the LCA Mk2s coming in this decade, along with MKI MLU, we are slightly better off than before when it comes to fighter jets, as long as MRFA is cleared.
If MRFA doesn't go through, then we need at least 2 more batches of 36 Rafales each at the bare minimum. But we will then struggle through even the 2040s with a severe shortage of 6-8 squadrons.