That you have to ask that question says a lot. What answer do you expect the froggy to say?
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He is the most knowledgeable person about Rafale's capabilities. Yes, theoretically defeating a VLO jet using 4th/4+ gen is not easy. But air combat is very fluid and not static, it's as much about tactics as it's about tech. In real world, anything is possible, there are no guarantees, all bets are off!
So once again, let's wait and watch......
Whatever the result, IAF would return with a lot more knowledge regarding how to defeat/counter VLO jets using novel tech and tactics.
Stealth is not magic in a duel between two aircraft, because if the stealth aircraft wants to take full advantage of its stealth, it must not use its radar. If it does use its radar, its opponent will detect it and will be able to concentrate its detection resources on the region where the stealthy aircraft is located, eventually finding a firing solution. And if the stealthy player doesn't use his radar, then his opponent is also stealthy.
Having described this main principle, I'm going to go into more detail, assuming a duel between the Rafale and an F-22, but a duel with an F-35 would also work in the same way.
First, let's suppose that the F-22 uses its radar. F-22 supporters will say that its radar is LPI and that the Rafale will therefore not detect it.
There are two ways in which a radar can be LPI: frequency band spreading and time spreading.
- Spreading the frequency bands consists of changing the transmission frequency continuously: for example, the radar on the F-22 changes frequency about 1000 times a second. Normally the enemy detection system sees anomalies in the electromagnetic reception rather than a radar, but the F-22's radar knows the sequence of frequencies it has used in transmission and can reconstruct the signal on reception.
- Time spreading consists of transmitting a long but weak signal, and compressing the return (this is done using Fourier transforms).
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To counter this, SPECTRA has two detection systems:
- a super-heterodyne narrow-band system that scans all the frequencies one after the other and is very sensitive: this system will detect radars that spread out in time but may miss those that spread out in the frequency bands because the transmitter and receiver would have to be very lucky to be tuned to the same frequency at the same time.
- A broadband system that monitors a large number of frequencies simultaneously but is less sensitive: this system will be perfect for frequency hopping radars that are powerful (and therefore easily detected) for a short time on each frequency they use.
What can the Rafale do once it has detected that there is a radar in a certain direction?
It can direct its optical resources, including its laser rangefinder, in that direction, or it can send more energy with its radar in that direction. I'll explain the latter:
What limits a radar's radiated power is not to fry its electronics, i.e. to pay attention to the temperature and therefore the heat generated, given the radar's heat extraction performance. If the radar is in search mode and scans a large area, the average heat generated must be less than the available heat extraction. For example, the RBE2 on the Rafale has a peak power of 10 kW (that's when it's transmitting) and an average power of 2-3 kW because it doesn't transmit continuously and the average is different depending on the mode.
However, if we know which direction we need to detect, we can send a signal that is not relevant to a search, but which is relevant for confirming a detection and measuring a distance. For example, we'll take a power of 3kw (which the heat extraction can evacuate), send a signal 1000 times longer than the usual signal (we replace the microseconds by milliseconds) and compress the return. Everything happens as if we had a radar with a peak power of 3000 Kw instead of 10 kw. This allows us to detect the F-22 much further away.
I have to stop now, but I'll continue as soon as I have time.
That's the purpose redflag, gain experience in air warfare.
So the conclusion of this first part is that if the F-22 uses its radar, it will undoubtedly detect the Rafale, because it too will be able to use the treatments that I have described for the Rafale, but it will also be detected by the Rafale. After that, the winner will be the one with the best tactics, the most skilful or the best missiles, because you can also take action against the missiles so that they don't detect you, or so that they miss their target, or so that they can carry out a successful evasive manoeuvre.
Now what happens if the F-22 doesn't use its radar? In this case it must have a track by some other means, which could be optical or external.
As far as optical means are concerned, the F-22 has no IRST except for tests where the IRST is installed on a pod that destroys its stealth. So here the advantage goes to the Rafale. As far as the F-35 is concerned, its optical systems are considered obsolete and will have to be updated, whereas the Indian Rafale's IRST is recent, as is the one that the French developed and put into service for F4.1.
In addition, the Rafale has a laser rangefinder that can be used for air tracks, which the F-22 and F-35 do not have.
There is still the case of the external track, but in this case it's no longer 1 against 1 but 2 or more than 2 against several enemies. I have already explained that this case is very favourable to the Rafale, the essential argument being that passive stealth can only reduce the radar return signal in the direction of the transmitter, whereas electronic stealth can do so in all directions. As a result, electronic stealth can counter multistatic radar while passive stealth cannot.
Today, the Rafale's RBE2 radar is not multi-static, so the different protagonists are on an equal footing, except that if the F-35 had such a radar, SPECTRA would already be able to counter it. But the Rafale F5 will have an RBE2 XG which will have a multi-static mode, and there the advantage will clearly be with the Rafale.
Indian Air Force Excels In Exercise Red Flag 2024
The Indian Air Force (IAF) played a pivotal role in the highly impactful Exercise Red Flag 2024 at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, held from June 4 to June 14. It marked the second edition of Ex Red F
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Dassault Aviation decides to go solo, to set up own maintenance facility in India without Reliance
Facility will initially look at MRO-related work for the 36 IAF Rafale fighter jets, and the 26 Rafale Marine under discussion, besides those of Indonesia.
New Delhi: French defence major Dassault Aviation has filed an application with the Indian government to set up a maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility near Jewar international airport in Uttar Pradesh to cater to not just India’s fleet of Mirage 2000s and Rafale fighter jets, but also that of Indonesia. Government sources told ThePrint that the proposed MRO facility is a standalone venture of Dassault Aviation and will be fully owned by the French aviation firm. This means Dassault has decided to move away from its Indian partner Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence for this project. With Reliance, it has a joint venture called Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) which operates a plant in Nagpur to make parts for the Falcon business jets and Rafales. Sources said the company has filed an initial application for registering the proposed name of its India venture.
They added that the facility will initially look at MRO-related work for the 36 Rafale fighter jets of the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the 26 Rafale Marine under discussion between Dassault and the Indian Navy.
Sources also said that Dassault Aviation had informed them the MRO facility would also cater to the needs of Indonesia which operates 42 Rafale fighters with the option for more.
This is the first step of a larger plan proposed by Dassault Aviation for operations in India, they added.Interestingly, the IAF has a long-pending requirement for new fighters under the Medium Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) programme, as part of which they want to procure 114 new fighters through the ‘Make in India’ route.
Sources said that while the Narendra Modi government had gone in for 36 Rafale fighters under emergency procurement, the larger need to beef up the depleting IAF fighter strength remained. While the IAF currently has about 31 fighter jet squadrons against the sanctioned strength of 42, these include the ageing MiG 21s and Jaguar besides the MiG 29, all of which will be decommissioned by 2029-30.
The majority of the IAF’s fighter jet squadrons is made up of about 270 Su-30 MKI, which has a bad availability ratio. The ongoing Russia-Ukraine war has further made key spare parts difficult to procure.
As a stop-gap arrangement, the IAF is in talks with Qatar to procure 12 Mirage fighter jets. However, this is different from the ones that are being used by the IAF and, hence, is likely to be raised as a separate squadron.
Sources said upgrading the 12 aircraft to the standard of those operated by the IAF does not make sense because the cost would be very high.
The IAF has, in the meanwhile, ordered 83 LCA MK1 A from the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, delivery of which was to begin late February.
However, as reported by ThePrint in March, the entire delivery has been delayed by at least four months due to multiple issues including sourcing of a small but critical component.
(Edited by Tikli Basu)
@Picdelamirand-oil afaik, MMRCA need a local partner for manufacturing so that some tech transfer will happened with indian partner. If MRO facilities is 100% owned by Dassault then that requirement will not full fll. I fear GOI's current state will not allow them to compromise on that.
So they didn't face F35? Not mentioned in the article u shared.… As they prepare for their return journey, the contingent plans to split en route and engage in exercises with Air Force elements of Greece and Egypt.Indian Air Force Excels In Exercise Red Flag 2024
The Indian Air Force (IAF) played a pivotal role in the highly impactful Exercise Red Flag 2024 at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, held from June 4 to June 14. It marked the second edition of Ex Red F
Result of Offsets : Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) has obtained an export order worth Euro 25.75 Million (Estimated Value Rs.230 Crores) fromThales Reliance Defence Systems (TRDS) for the manufacture and supply of Transmit Receive (TR) modules. The TR modules will be used in the radars of fighter aircrafts.
Given they were fined for not giving the TOT that was promised before. I'd say it was a certainty.
Dassault was never fined for not giving Tot. The only one for which there has been an attempt at a sanction on this ground is MDBA, and the amount was so ridiculously small that it was a careless mistake on MDBA's part not to have seen that it had something to do before a certain date. This was dismissed by mutual agreement.
Otherwise, here is an extract from Dassault's financial results for the first half of 2024
Like other major players in the aeronautics industry, the Group is suffering from a troubled supply chain, with numerous shortfalls in our production lines due to the failure of some of our suppliers, especially in the aerostructure sector. These difficulties are creating risks for Falcon and Rafale deliveries, and are also affecting after-sales. The Group is taking internal and external action to mitigate these effects and to anticipate subcontractor failures. In addition, given the links we have developed with Indian companies as part of the "Make in India" programme, and the major commercial opportunities we have there in the future, India is an opportunity to expand our supply chain.
2.6 Make in India
The joint venture in India, Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL), is continuing production of the T12 and T4 sections of the Falcon 2000. The Dassault Aviation Group is participating in the development of the Indian supply chain and is developing partnerships in India at a time when the French supply chain is experiencing difficulties. Contracts were signed with major new subcontractors in the first half of this year:
- TATA, for wing panels,
- DYNAMATIC for the T5 fuel tank on the Falcon 6X and for the supply of primary parts,
- AEROLLOY, a subsidiary of the PTC Group, for the development of a titanium foundry.
India fines French firm Dassault Aviation over offset delays
The Indian government imposed a fine on French company Dassault Aviation last month over delays in offset obligations that were part of a 2016 deal for 36 Rafale fighters, Defense News has learned.
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You are right, i d r w and the article is blocked. Why this censorship? there are plenty of questionable sources, you only need to look at pic's posts to see them. It is a slippery slop the mods are going down.
https://****/indias-mrfa-ambitions-meet-resistance-dassault-unenthusiastic-about-tech-transfer/
Though if you post the headline in the url, people can copy and google it themselves
/indias-mrfa-ambitions-meet-resistance-dassault-unenthusiastic-about-tech-transfer/
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