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So this is the story of a journalist who claims that he met someone whose name he can't give but who was an official who told him that Dassault had been sanctioned for not fulfilling its offset obligations. The journalist tried to get confirmation of this information from the Indian authorities, the French government and Dassault, but was unable to confirm it. And all this is in an Indian newspaper and nowhere else.

So after reporting this very serious information @Optimist criticises my sources, especially when I report extracts from GAO reports, knowing that the U.S. Government Accountability Office is an independent, nonpartisan government agency within the legislative branch that provides auditing, evaluative, and investigative services for the United States Congress. It is the supreme audit institution of the federal government of the United States.
 
Official sites are ok. it's the rubbish clickbait you post that is the issue.

copy paste this to google to find lots of info. Penaly is a better search word

Dassault Aviation pays penalty over offset delays india 2021

India imposes penalty for offsets delay in Rafale fighter deal

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22 Dec 2021 — The offsets in the Rafale deal are spread over seven years from the date of signing the contract, with no discharge in the first three years. “ ...

India Fines Dassault Aviation for Offset Delays

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The Indian government fined Dassault Aviation last month for delays in offset commitments related to a 2016 agreement for 36 Rafale warplanes.
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22 Dec 2021 — The Indian government has fined French business Dassault Aviation for delays on offset commitments tied to a 2016 deal for 36 Rafale fighter ...

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India Imposes Penalty Of One Million Euro For Offsets Delay In Rafale Aircraft Deal​

December 24, 2021 admn2017
22 Dec 2021

India Received The First Batch Of Five Rafale Jets, Manufactured By French Aerospace Major Dassault Aviation, On July 29, 2020

India has imposed a penalty on European missile maker MBDA for delay in fulfilling offsets commitments in the Rafale aircraft deal signed between India and France to procure 36 aircraft at a cost of Rs 59,000 crore.

The penalty has been “imposed and collected” from MBDA under the overall new policy to tighten the screws on defaulting armament majors, reported The Times of India citing top defence sources. MBDA is a weapons package supplier for the Rafale jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation in the inter-governmental agreement inked by India in September 2016, it said.

According to the report, besides the inter-governmental agreement with France and supply protocols for the fighters and weapons, India had signed a major offsets contract with Dassault and a smaller one with MBDA. As part of the agreement, half of the contract value (around Rs 30,000 crore) has to be ploughed back to India as offsets or re-investments, the report suggested.

Under the deal, the offsets are spread over seven years from the date of signing the contract, with no discharge in the first three years.
“The fine has been imposed on MBDA after it slipped in discharging its offsets obligations for the first applicable year from September 2019-September 2020,” said the report quoting a source.

The fine imposed on MBDA is reportedly 5 percent of the shortfall in the discharge of offsets in a particular year, which means it is less than 1 million euro.

“With the shortfall being carried over to the second year, the case will be examined again,” the source told the publication.
The MBDA has paid the penalty but also lodged a protest with the Ministry of Defence, the report added.

India received the first batch of five Rafale jets, manufactured by French aerospace major Dassault Aviation, on July 29, 2020. The Rafale jets are India’s first major acquisition of fighter planes in 23 years after the Sukhoi jets were imported from Russia.

The multi-role Rafale jets are known for air superiority and precision strikes. They are capable of carrying a range of potent weapons. MBDA’s Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile and Scalp cruise missile are the mainstay of the weapons package of the Rafale jets. Meteor is a next-generation beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) designed to revolutionise air-to-air combat.

The problem was that the Indians confused the dates of the Dassault contract with the dates of the MBDA contract, which was signed later. MBDA paid to show its goodwill, but protested with solid arguments that led to an amicable settlement. In any case, in the first year offset obligations are low and 5% of a small sum is a very small sum, well under €1 million.


Deepak Sangha, a former executive with MBDA’s British arm, said:​

India’s approach to offsets does not economically benefit the nation and its defense industry in the long run.​
Sangha said:​

OEMs face a lack of government flexibility when seeking minor deviations from stated or perceived guidelines. Moreover, penalties harm their reputations and could negatively impact opportunities elsewhere,​
he added.​
 
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Two Rafales In Air, Close Monitoring On Radar: How India Ensured Safety of Sheikh Hasina's Aircraft

Indian security swiftly prepared for any contingency after former Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina fled the violence-hit nation following her resignation on Monday. Hasina arrived in India for safety in an Air Force jet and is reported to remain in the country until granted political asylum in a third country, according to sources.

Indian Air Force (IAF) radars were actively monitoring air space over Bangladesh and detected a low-level-flying aircraft around 3:00 pm coming towards India. At around 6:30 pm, Bangladesh Air Force’s C-130 transport aircraft AJAX1413 carrying Hasina and her sister reached Ghaziabad’s Hindon Air Base.

Sources said that two Rafale fighter aircraft from the 101 squadron from Hashimara air base in West Bengal were airborne over Bihar and Jharkhand to provide safety to Hasina’s jet aircraft. IAF and Army chiefs Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari and Gen Upendra Dwivedi were monitoring the situation very closely, sources added.

A top-level meeting of top security officials was also held with intel agency chiefs, Gen Dwivedi and Integrated Defence Staff chief Lt Gen Johnson Philip Mathew.

Hasina was greeted by the National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval at the Hindan air base. The two held an hour-long discussion on the current situation in Bangladesh and her future course of action.

NSA Doval then left the airbase to brief a Cabinet Committee on a security meeting led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who was also informed about the developments throughout the day.
 
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India Imposes Penalty Of One Million Euro For Offsets Delay In Rafale Aircraft Deal​

December 24, 2021 admn2017
22 Dec 2021

India Received The First Batch Of Five Rafale Jets, Manufactured By French Aerospace Major Dassault Aviation, On July 29, 2020

India has imposed a penalty on European missile maker MBDA for delay in fulfilling offsets commitments in the Rafale aircraft deal signed between India and France to procure 36 aircraft at a cost of Rs 59,000 crore.

The penalty has been “imposed and collected” from MBDA under the overall new policy to tighten the screws on defaulting armament majors, reported The Times of India citing top defence sources. MBDA is a weapons package supplier for the Rafale jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation in the inter-governmental agreement inked by India in September 2016, it said.

According to the report, besides the inter-governmental agreement with France and supply protocols for the fighters and weapons, India had signed a major offsets contract with Dassault and a smaller one with MBDA. As part of the agreement, half of the contract value (around Rs 30,000 crore) has to be ploughed back to India as offsets or re-investments, the report suggested.

Under the deal, the offsets are spread over seven years from the date of signing the contract, with no discharge in the first three years.
“The fine has been imposed on MBDA after it slipped in discharging its offsets obligations for the first applicable year from September 2019-September 2020,” said the report quoting a source.

The fine imposed on MBDA is reportedly 5 percent of the shortfall in the discharge of offsets in a particular year, which means it is less than 1 million euro.

“With the shortfall being carried over to the second year, the case will be examined again,” the source told the publication.
The MBDA has paid the penalty but also lodged a protest with the Ministry of Defence, the report added.

India received the first batch of five Rafale jets, manufactured by French aerospace major Dassault Aviation, on July 29, 2020. The Rafale jets are India’s first major acquisition of fighter planes in 23 years after the Sukhoi jets were imported from Russia.

The multi-role Rafale jets are known for air superiority and precision strikes. They are capable of carrying a range of potent weapons. MBDA’s Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile and Scalp cruise missile are the mainstay of the weapons package of the Rafale jets. Meteor is a next-generation beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) designed to revolutionise air-to-air combat.

The problem was that the Indians confused the dates of the Dassault contract with the dates of the MBDA contract, which was signed later. MBDA paid to show its goodwill, but protested with solid arguments that led to an amicable settlement. In any case, in the first year offset obligations are low and 5% of a small sum is a very small sum, well under €1 million.


Deepak Sangha, a former executive with MBDA’s British arm, said:​

India’s approach to offsets does not economically benefit the nation and its defense industry in the long run.​
Sangha said:​

OEMs face a lack of government flexibility when seeking minor deviations from stated or perceived guidelines. Moreover, penalties harm their reputations and could negatively impact opportunities elsewhere,​
he added.​

Bureaucrats need to do better, a tall ask in India.
 
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We need to order 36 more before its too late. MRFA be damned!

With the way it's going, it's F5 or bust. 2025 or 2026 tender start would imply a 2030+ contract and 2035+ deliveries. There's no point in paying billions and not getting GaN and drones.

Considering the IAF's current posture vis-a-vis China, LCA Mk1A is sufficient alongside the more crucial SAMs and BMD. 36 more Rafales will not change things significantly. Additional Rafales are needed for mass anyway. And F4s will be less useful after 2035 when the Chinese will introduce far more disruptive technologies. After all, the French are developing the Rafale based on their threat environment, not ours.

Ironically, MKI MLU is gonna take pretty much the same time as the F5.

As long as new weapons are introduced frequently, especially Astra Mk2, we do not have to worry about platforms until MRFA delivers. Between 2030 and 2033, we will have 700-750 jets in 37-38 squadrons. An early MRFA (2019-20) would have covered up the difference but that's spilled milk.
 
With the way it's going, it's F5 or bust. 2025 or 2026 tender start would imply a 2030+ contract and 2035+ deliveries. There's no point in paying billions and not getting GaN and drones.

Considering the IAF's current posture vis-a-vis China, LCA Mk1A is sufficient alongside the more crucial SAMs and BMD. 36 more Rafales will not change things significantly. Additional Rafales are needed for mass anyway. And F4s will be less useful after 2035 when the Chinese will introduce far more disruptive technologies. After all, the French are developing the Rafale based on their threat environment, not ours.

Ironically, MKI MLU is gonna take pretty much the same time as the F5.

As long as new weapons are introduced frequently, especially Astra Mk2, we do not have to worry about platforms until MRFA delivers. Between 2030 and 2033, we will have 700-750 jets in 37-38 squadrons. An early MRFA (2019-20) would have covered up the difference but that's spilled milk.
I have already said it mutliple times before that MRFA for me is a shoot between Rafale F-5 and F-35 Block 4. However, the 36 extra Rafale C along with 26 Rafale M makes sense as it would provide more platforms that can launch Meteor and also as attrition replacement if a war broke out in immediate future. No way does these extra 36 Rafale order impede MRFA as has been feared by some quarters of IAF.

PAF is already s*ht scared of our Rafales and PLAAF too. The more Rafale(s) in IAF, the better for us and worse for our enemies.
 
2. Rafale F5 is still on paper
All the Rafale standards were fine tune on time, on budget, on specifications. So will be F5.
In the same vein we could say that F35 is still on paper because not technically fixed.
3. French line is at saturation for next 5-7 years.
Maybe the french one, but what about onother. In India for exemple....