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French Navy Rafale M Fires MBDA METEOR BVRAAM For The 1st Time
The French Ministry of the Armed Forces announced that a French Navy (Marine Nationale) Rafale M fighter fired a METEOR air to air missile for the first time on 13 February 2019.
Xavier Vavasseur 15 Feb 2019

A French Air Force Rafale fired a METEOR beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) the same day as well. The test which took place at a firing and test range in Southern France involved experts from the defense procurement agency (DGA), the French Navy Naval Aviation Practical Experimentation Center (centre d’expérimentations pratiques de l’aéronautique navale – CEPA 10) and its Air Force equivalent.

The French Navy fighter used for the test was highly likely the (for now unique) Rafale M F-3R aircraft which was delivered in December 2018. F-3R is the latest standard of the Rafale, bringing a number of new capabilities including the integration of the METEOR missile.

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According to MBDA (its designer and producer), METEOR is the next generation of Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM) system designed to revolutionise air-to-air combat in the 21st Century. The weapon brings together six nations with a common need to defeat the threats of today as well as the future emerging ones.

Guided by an advanced active radar seeker, Meteor provides all weather capability to engage a wide variety of targets from agile fast jets to small Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and cruise missiles. Meteor offers a multi-shot capability against long range maneuvering targets in a heavy electronic countermeasures (ECM) environment with range well in excess of 100 kilometres (62 mi).

The weapon is also equipped with data link communication. Aimed at meeting the needs of a network centric environment, Meteor can be operated using third party data, enabling the Meteor user – the pilot – to have the most flexible weapon system.
 
Parthu said:
This is why I keep saying that Dassault is minimum 5 years ahead of any other company when it comes to being in a ready state for taking on any level of local production. Let's see any other company being anywhere near this close to having an already functioning local manufacturing facility.

It would be a folly not to order at least 36 more. Also a folly if any other jet except Rafale wins MMRCA 2.0
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Which is factually wrong because HAL/Mahindra and TATA already have production facilities, while even Adani has set up their facilities now, without waiting for winning an offset tender, let alone get foreign funds for the infrastructure! And recent news about Kalyani buying parts of BAE systems which formally build helicopters and subs is highly promising too.

All of them did, what Reliance didn't! Investing own money in building own infrastructure and gaining know how, withough waiting for the govt. That's what makes Reliance so bad and with more and more of their defence and civil business getting in trouble, one really wonders how Dassault could make such a major mistake But then again, the CAG report only revealed more shocking news about their rejection of even basic Indian rules or even guidelines of the tender.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Right now we must concentrate on maintaining a minimum acceptable force level.
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And that's exactly why diverting Mig 29Ks is the best solution!

- more than 40 are already in India
- based on the newer M/2M airframe, which not only have advantages over the standard Mig 29 airframe, but also offers more future potential for upgrades
- they are technically at the same lvl as IAFs UPG
- already have all the necessary ISEs

=> can be put into squadron service without any delay.

It's not an alternative to MMRCA, but far better than old Mig 21s, that will require modifications and upgeades.
 
Guynextdoor said:
N Ram is a shining beacon of light for India
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I wouldn't go that far, but his reports had a huge impact right ahead of the CAG report and it was fun to see certain parts of the media being so desperate to find anything to distract from the facts stated in the report. 😅
But at the end of the day, you can't disprove official MoD documents with names of the officials and the more documents were leaked later by ANI and Congress, the more it confirmed PMOs involvement in the negotiations, bypassing MoD/INT. Not to mention that the handwritten note of Parrikar wiped out the last doubts, who was in charge of the Rafale deal and how far away he wanted to be of it.
It was a heck of a week when it comes to Rafale and MMRCA revelations.
 
Sancho said:
I wouldn't go that far, but his reports had a huge impact right ahead of the CAG report and it was fun to see certain parts of the media being so desperate to find anything to distract from the facts stated in the report. 😅
But at the end of the day, you can't disprove official MoD documents with names of the officials and the more documents were leaked later by ANI and Congress, the more it confirmed PMOs involvement in the negotiations, bypassing MoD/INT. Not to mention that the handwritten note of Parrikar wiped out the last doubts, who was in charge of the Rafale deal and how far away he wanted to be of it.
It was a heck of a week when it comes to Rafale and MMRCA revelations.
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I know the people at the hindu. Them being left is right and they are among the few families that have avoided the kind of commercialization that the likes of TOI has done.
 
Ashwin said:
Rafale failed and Mig passed. That's all that matters.
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Failed and passed the TEC, while only Rafale and EF passed the FET! The earlier is based on Dassaults proposal and deficiencies in it, the latter based on the trial evaluations and proposals to delete shortcomings.

However, I told you before how bad Dassault f...ed us up, the CAG report only made it worse!

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😒 Said that long ago, sadly we don't know how much the ISE costs for EF would had been.

And now we also have the confirmation, that Dassault provided HAL with false informations for the man hour calculation

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As I said before, UPA and NDA should not had waited so long for Dassault to comply to RFP rules, but now we even know, that they had to be rejected even before. But even more shocking is, that the NDA govt got the IM report by March 2015 with all the details of Dassaults failures and still went with a single vendor gift for them!


Sadly the CAG report had too many reducted parts to know more on the costs and nothing on the decision making process of the Rafale deal.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
I know the people at the hindu. Them being left is right and they are among the few families that have avoided the kind of commercialization that the likes of TOI has done.
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Well I prefer to judge the quality of each article independently, no matter which journalist or media group, but these articles surely were high quality journalism and not just the usual sensational reports that Indian media usually gives out.
Also the fact that the author used Twitter only to advertise his article, without commenting or stating opinions in 140 characters, shows quality. Too many journalists, that used to write great articles, today prefer twitter or YouTube to forward personal opinions, without any research, proofs or sources.
 
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Nirmala Sitharaman already explained all the reasons in her speech to Parliament. The MMRCA was stuck so they went with an emergency interim purchase of two squadrons, following precedent of the Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 procurements done by previous governments. Replacement for failed MMRCA is still ongoing.
 
Sancho said:
Which is factually wrong because HAL/Mahindra and TATA already have production facilities, while even Adani has set up their facilities now, without waiting for winning an offset tender, let alone get foreign funds for the infrastructure! And recent news about Kalyani buying parts of BAE systems which formally build helicopters and subs is highly promising too.

All of them did, what Reliance didn't! Investing own money in building own infrastructure and gaining know how, withough waiting for the govt. That's what makes Reliance so bad and with more and more of their defence and civil business getting in trouble, one really wonders how Dassault could make such a major mistake But then again, the CAG report only revealed more shocking news about their rejection of even basic Indian rules or even guidelines of the tender.
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Who else has a roadmap for conducting complete final assembly & test-flights of a plane in India?

Mahindra's GippsAero remains in Australia. Tie-up with Airbus Helicopters isn't getting anywhere owing to lack of orders.
HAL let Boeing contracts slip through its fingers owing to poor quality control.
Majority of Tata contracts are under offset obligations from Lockheed (C-130J, S-97) or Boeing (Apache). Despite being active for 6+ years, they really haven't progressed beyond component assembly. If you compare this with DRAL's roadmap, C-130J and S-97 final assembly line should have been in India by now. It isn't. These JVs are in stagnation.

Only hope for TATA is if they get the Airbus C-295W order, and finally get to build a complete aircraft - which would be part of contract obligation anyway - not their own entrepreneurship. Either way, this program is stuck.

Only Indian company that developed the majority of the aerostructures business out of entrepreneurship is probably Dynamatic. They'd been Tier-1 supplier to Airbus and Bell without any offset obligations.

As of Lockheed offsets: Lockheed offsets mock MoD norms
 
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Parthu said:
Who else has a roadmap for conducting complete final assembly & test-flights of a plane in India?
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All the mentioned companies, which is why all of them are also partners for foreign vendors in the MMRCA now, or why they are already involved in aviation projects in India. But as explained, the most important point is, they invested into the aviation field on their own and that's a major difference to Reliance. If they now also invest into R&D, we finally might see sole progress in Indian aviation, but that's not going to happen by licence producing parts for business jets and waiting for deals to fall into their laps.
 
Boeing has been complaining about India's offset policy and said it was too hard to implement, which means that they are busy justifying why they don't uphold their promises. Don't expect much from American JV, they're too busy lobbying to get out of their obligations to help you.
 
Sancho said:
All the mentioned companies, which is why all of them are also partners for foreign vendors in the MMRCA now, or why they are already involved in aviation projects in India. But as explained, the most important point is, they invested into the aviation field on their own and that's a major difference to Reliance. If they now also invest into R&D, we finally might see sole progress in Indian aviation, but that's not going to happen by licence producing parts for business jets and waiting for deals to fall into their laps.
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Only way any of those companies get to do final assembly of any aircraft is when and if they manage to win a deal. The planes they're building have no plans whatsoever to bring final assembly to India.

DRAL Falcon will go on to do final assembly by 2022, unless there are any labour issues, regardless of them winning any more deals or not.
 
Parthu said:
Only way any of those companies get to do final assembly of any aircraft is when and if they manage to win a deal.
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Not really, it depends on production costs and market potential, that's why Dassault planned to produce the Falcon in India since MMRCA, because they belive they have a market in India.
TATA already got the F16 wing production shifted from Israel and even if we don't go for F16, they are likely to get more work for maintenance and spare production, maybe even upgrades in future, simply by the fact that LM and F16 partners are outsourcing these parts now.

That's even the sad part about TATA, because when it comes to production of parts for other aviation companies, they are responsible doing extremely well, but so far there is no interest in own R&D.
 
Sancho said:
Not really, it depends on production costs and market potential, that's why Dassault planned to produce the Falcon in India since MMRCA, because they belive they have a market in India.
TATA already got the F16 wing production shifted from Israel and even if we don't go for F16, they are likely to get more work for maintenance and spare production, maybe even upgrades in future, simply by the fact that LM and F16 partners are outsourcing these parts now.

That's even the sad part about TATA, because when it comes to production of parts for other aviation companies, they are responsible doing extremely well, but so far there is no interest in own R&D.
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So, like I said, other than DRAL, no one has a roadmap for final assembly of an aircraft that is not subject to winning of a deal.
 
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