Small Arms & Tactical Equipment

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A operator from the Kashmir Police Special Operations Group(KP-SOG) stands guard with his FAB Defence modified AK.
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Tear gas rounds away !!
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Ooof the timing on this one is exquisite. Look at the radiating light from the muzzle. How do people take photos of this kind @Fafnir ? Capturing a burst of photos in quick succesion and hoping to get lucky ?
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Oh look its that sniper fellow again.
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BEL PNVS on that FAB mod AK.
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Ballistic shields have now become an integral part of CQBs today. Wasn't the case like 2 years ago.
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We need integrated comms. sets as standard. The makeshift ones can only go so far.
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The newly inducted Shivalik multi mode grenades.
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Ceremonial uniform(for parades and stuff) : Unlikely to change
Official uniform(for official work/duties) : Likely to change
Battle dress uniform(self-explanatory) : Likely to change

Let's talk about the BDU first. QZCTs is likely going to be the standard going forward. They will be available in a bunch of different camo
dude I am talking about regular army not special forces

There was news about change in BDU for regular army
 
This is G3 rifle, you sure this from IA?
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That's a PSG-1. The trigger, grip & stock are definitely not of a G3.

It's the same rifle (and the same guy) as in these pics:

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The PSG-1's trigger & grip assembly is pretty hard to mistake - plus the fact it only has a semi-auto (1) & safe (0) selector:

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as you can see in the original pic:

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Even if we assume its a converted G3 (which its not), it would have still retained the 3-mode SEF type selector:

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While the PSG-1 is indeed developed from the G3, the former is widespread in Indian MHA units as a sniper system - and its been since a long, long time.
 
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multicam😍😍?
Various camos are under considerations. Multi cam is one of them. Others include Woodland MARPAT, the in use DPMs etc.

Here we have photos of the "Lion Hearts" from the Chindits Trial Expedition 2018 sporting Woodland MARPAT camo. They are regular forces as far as I can tell.
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Here some folks with DPM type camo QZCTs.
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Give it some time, all doubts will be cleared.

Where did you get this from?
SM. Don't remember if it was Twitter or Facebook. Why do you ask ?
 
Nah. They are either purchased by the unit commanders or individuals. The good thing is that the gloves are readily available in the market and unlike guns you don't have to worry about the lack of standardisation creating a big logistical issue. As long as it fits, who gives a damn.

The benefit of having an unit/individual based purchase system is that there is always someone in the market looking for new gloves. That incentivizes companies to keep coming up with newer/better gloves. However, if they were purchased in bulk they would be lower priced.

Well the Army(all services actually) has a number of different uniforms. There is the :

Ceremonial uniform(for parades and stuff) : Unlikely to change
Official uniform(for official work/duties) : Likely to change
Battle dress uniform(self-explanatory) : Likely to change

Let's talk about the BDU first. QZCTs is likely going to be the standard going forward. They will be available in a bunch of different camo patterns, which is to be expected. The most commonly seen camo patterns over the last year are the following :
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We haven seen any QZCTs in desert or snow camo. Of course NSGs have their all black QZCTs. I suppose you could say we are still experimenting with camo patterns, seeing what works best for us. But QZCTs are going to be standard, irrespective of chosen camo pattern. The questing is when.

Now, the official uniform will carry the same pattern as the QZCT. But it will have camo prints all over it, unlike the QZCTs which have prints on the arms but have a plain colored chest,abdomen and back.

Look at what Dhoni baba is wearing. Could that be the official uniform ? Guess we will know soon enough.
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CRPF, not IA. Yes I am sure, look at that head gear. That's a patka, except for CAPFs no one uses them anymore. Over the years a lot of Pakistani armed insurgents came armed with the H&K G3s. Along with of course the omnipresent AK, sometimes American guns like Colt M4 SOPMOD, the recently captured American sniper(I forget the name) etc.

Well after the insurgents are dispatched to get their 72 virgins, we usually re-cycle Pakistani guns and start using them ourselves. Coz why not ? Winning a low cost proxy war require us to cut down costs on our side too. At the peak of insurgency in the 90s, we had gathered so many AKs that the all RR regiments, CAPFs, KP-SOG, Para, MARCOS etc. started using the AKs. These are the AKs you see in service today. In a way the Pakistanis armed us, funny how fate works.

Over the years, the Army felt a need of upgrading the quality of the weapons. In came companies like FAB defense. Making up for the modified AKs that you see today.

The G3 over there probably has a similar story to tell. Being a 7.62N chambered rifle, it would be a very effective medium range sniper. Today it these along with Dragunovs are used to provide sniper cover to our forces during CI/CT ops. Sometimes to snipe Pak soldiers across the LoC. Using their guns to kill them, the Army has a murderous sense of humour.



We already do have some commonalty across services. For example, everybody uses 7.62R AKs, everybody uses Tavor TAR21s, everybody uses PK machine guns.
What specific area of equipment to you want to know about ?
Well, their armoured rigs/plate carriers seems to be a mix of everything. Then their helmets and comm equipments. Seriously, why has no one thought of proper Helmets that include everything - comms, nvgs, lights etc. I am no expert on these things but a lot of them have loose rag-tag clothings. And those knee pads don't really look helpful when they are falling all over the place. Saw some photographs of NATO militaries. Their infantry/non spec guys had pants with sewed knee pads. Honestly, thats a brilliant idea. Why haven't we implemented those on our troops. One last question, are the guys in this photo PARA SF?
 

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One last question, are the guys in this photo PARA SF?
Hard to say. If that photo is say 4-5 years old then maybe they are Para. If that photo is recent then no. There was a time when Tavors were restricted to Army/Navy/Airforce SF. Not any more, Ghataks use them too. CAPFs have some Tavors too, though they prefer the X-95.

You can identify a Para by the weapons and the head gear. Para SF don't use patkas. It's either a proper helmet or no helmet at all. The Army in the valley now uses MKU helmets, CAPF continue with patkas.


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Well, their armoured rigs/plate carriers seems to be a mix of everything. Then their helmets and comm equipments. Seriously, why has no one thought of proper Helmets that include everything - comms, nvgs, lights etc. I am no expert on these things but a lot of them have loose rag-tag clothings. And those knee pads don't really look helpful when they are falling all over the place. Saw some photographs of NATO militaries. Their infantry/non spec guys had pants with sewed knee pads. Honestly, thats a brilliant idea. Why haven't we implemented those on our troops.
The "sewed" knee pads are called integrated knee pads. The same exists for elbows too. NATO armies are all better equipped than us, although some of them don't have 10% of our warfare experience. Their equipment and procurement is top notch with out a doubt. Their millataries are much smaller than ours and are more tech focused rather than our manpower focus. Of course our procurement is sh*t. All that combined gives you what you see in difference in equipment.
 
Any particular reason to cover their helmets. Someone on this forum said that they looked like condoms, and I concur, they look ugly. The guy at the back doesn't seems to mind it keeping uncovered.

Their millataries are much smaller than ours and are more tech focused rather than our manpower focus. Of course our procurement is sh*t. All that combined gives you what you see in difference in equipment.
Yeah, but the Spec Op command is gonna be made up of around 3000 guys. Can't we afford to properly equip 3000 guys. Thats honestly not a large number.

And that comm gear in first pic looks like iball headset. Why are they (for the lack of a better word) cheaping out on this. I have rarely seen Hi-cut ACH helmets on Indian guys. That too without the tactical headsets.

Have a look at these Pakistani SSG guys(took the pics from reddit):
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Their armoured rigs look better. Their head gear looks better. Comms look better. Camo seems to be similar. Weapon of choice is a personal preference, so I won't comment. All in all they are better equiped than our soldiers. And these guys come from a country that's on their 12th or 13th IMF bailout package. I mean don't these soldiers themselves raise their voice for better gear. These are the tier I guys of our country that has a near about $50 ~60 Billion military budget.
 
All your arguments and disappointments are valid. But they have been discussed to death. I don't have anything new to add here.
All in all they are better equiped than our soldiers. And these guys come from a country that's on their 12th or 13th IMF bailout package
On the contrary, this is the reason why they need the IMF like a chain smoker needs a cigarette.
These are the tier I guys of our country that has a near about $50 ~60 Billion military budget.
You do realise much of that money is going to pensions right ? The whole amount isn't meant for acquisition.
 
Upgraded Dragunov SVD of Army with FAB Defense kit.

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Namely the GL-CORE CP stock and VFR-SVD quad rail handguard:

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The biggest deficiency with the SVD is it's scope though. But this is a first solid step toward fixing that. Though I'm not sure in exactly what level of trials/acceptance this kit is wrt IA SVDs as yet.
 
Upgraded Dragunov SVD of Army with FAB Defense kit.

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Namely the GL-CORE CP stock and VFR-SVD quad rail handguard:

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The biggest deficiency with the SVD is it's scope though. But this is a first solid step toward fixing that. Though I'm not sure in exactly what level of trials/acceptance this kit is wrt IA SVDs as yet.

I have hope in 5 more years our infantry gear will be top notch.We were running a 10 year deficit due to upa negligence.Its held us back.Now things are speeding up.
The lmg tender is crucial.Hoping its negevn7 or arsenal mgm2.
 
Apparently only negev 7 of israel, motif k12 of korea and arsenal mgm2 are in the contest after sig sauer withdrew due to full production lines.IA wants 17000 under fast track procedure,rest 24000 maybe tender or follow on tot.Army officials already visited these 3 countries in may-june for tests.
 
Upgraded Dragunov SVD of Army with FAB Defense kit.

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Namely the GL-CORE CP stock and VFR-SVD quad rail handguard:

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The biggest deficiency with the SVD is it's scope though. But this is a first solid step toward fixing that. Though I'm not sure in exactly what level of trials/acceptance this kit is wrt IA SVDs as yet.
but does IA have Designated Marksmen in its infantry sections?
I'm pretty sure they don't...
 
Upgraded Dragunov SVD of Army with FAB Defense kit.

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Namely the GL-CORE CP stock and VFR-SVD quad rail handguard:

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The biggest deficiency with the SVD is it's scope though. But this is a first solid step toward fixing that. Though I'm not sure in exactly what level of trials/acceptance this kit is wrt IA SVDs as yet.
Looks good. What happened to the SS-LMT mod Dragunov ? It was reportedly under trials too.
What is the spec of the scope we use on SVDs ? I often feel a LPVO like say a SPECTRE can out perform that thing.
Well atleast now we have a 1913 rail section infront of the scope. A Tonbo Imaging EK or Arjun will do wonders for our night sniping capability.