Small Arms & Tactical Equipment

[Gautam]

Incidentally, if memory serves me right , a few months ago, PKS was claiming that this particular group may have manufactured this rifle in India but the Design & development was done by either a foreign company or by this company's sister organizations based outside of India.

That's not true. They hired experts from America to design and develop in India.This was done to ensure the IP is Indian . It is critical to do so lest you get hit by American export restrictions(ITAR). The American that they hired were apparently from LMT and a few other such companies.

Most probably with NSG.

There were news saying the guns were being trialed by PARAs. But if the NSGs are involved then the chances of actually receiving an order is higher. The acquisition procedures of the NSG is the smoothest and most result oriented among the entire military.

 

[Lolwa]

I hope Tata, l&t and other small companies also get into small arms business. The small arms market for India is huge. We have the 7 capfs then we also have state police. Include the coast guard and you have a market 2 million small arms atleast. The market is huge we just need some good players

 

[zapper]

Incidentally, if memory serves me right , a few months ago, PKS was claiming that this particular group may have manufactured this rifle in India but the Design & development was done by either a foreign company or by this company's sister organizations based outside of India

This is similar to how UAE's Caracal designed it's product range where consultants from the west were hired. SSS initially partnered with LMT but to ensure the IP is Indian and ITAR issues, they opted outta the partnership and must've used LMT's designers as consultants

For ammo manufacturing, SSS is setting up a JV with Brazil's CBC and a facility is coming up in Andhra Pradesh for production of 12.7 mm, 9 mm, 7.62×51 mm, 7.62×39 mm, .338 Lapua Magnum

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Most probably with NSG.

During Defexpo2020, there were reports that SSS's snipers were in testing with both NSG and Army SF which is obviously Para SF

 

[zapper]

I hope Tata, l&t and other small companies also get into small arms business. The small arms market for India is huge. We have the 7 capfs then we also have state police. Include the coast guard and you have a market 2 million small arms atleast. The market is huge we just need some good players

Since the F-INSAS program is in doldrums, IA could start procuring rifles and snipers from SSS defence (might not be the best but anytime better than OFB's crap), gun and helmet mounted sights from Tonbo, helmets from MKU along with BPJs' from Tata's TAML/TASL as a start

 

[randomradio]

Thanks for the tag. Not too interested in small arms but welcome development nonetheless. Time DRDO got out of small arms development & left it to small scale developers who're specialists in them be they the OFB or pvt firms like this one.

Imagine how ridiculous it reads where the same R&D organization which is developing cutting edge state of the art systems like BM, CM, BMD, AESA radars, aircraft engines, etc also is into developing small arms.

Incidentally, if memory serves me right , a few months ago, PKS was claiming that this particular group may have manufactured this rifle in India but the Design & development was done by either a foreign company or by this company's sister organizations based outside of India.

DRDO is a behemoth with many labs under its jurisdiction. Each lab has its own responsibility. So, it's the individual labs that churn out their own stuff, right from food products to ballistic missiles. Small arms is under one such lab called ARDE.

But yes, it's time DRDO slowly makes its exit out of low end stuff.

 

[randomradio]

They hired experts from America to design and develop in India.

A la HF-24.

There were news saying the guns were being trialed by PARAs. But if the NSGs are involved then the chances of actually receiving an order is higher. The acquisition procedures of the NSG is the smoothest and most result oriented among the entire military.

That's 'cause NSG is not under the military but under the MHA.

Much to @Falcon's chagrin, the MHA is much, much smoother in its functioning than the MoD.

 

[zapper]

A la HF-24.



That's 'cause NSG is not under the military but under the MHA.

Much to @Falcon's chagrin, the MHA is much, much smoother in its functioning than the MoD.

MoD should streamline special forces procurement and operations under a joint command structure similar to US SOCom which could be headed by the CDS

 

[randomradio]

MoD should streamline special forces procurement and operations under a joint command structure similar to US SOCom which could be headed by the CDS

CDS will take care of that since Special Forces will be part of triservices command.

 

[BlackAnt]

NSG guy with green beret kit...did they buy any?

 

[zapper]

CDS will take care of that since Special Forces will be part of triservices command.

Do you mean we're implementing something similar to SOCom where all Special Forces would no longer be under the command of IA/IN/IAF but instead by CDS?

NSG guy with green beret kit...did they buy any?

Nah, must've been during a joint exercise

 

[Parthu]

NSG guy with green beret kit...did they buy any?

No, just used for duration of the exercise for purposes of kit-familiarization.

Do you mean we're implementing something similar to SOCom where all Special Forces would no longer be under the command of IA/IN/IAF but instead by CDS?

He's talking about the Armed Forces Special Operations Division (AFSOD), which will essentially be a triservice division but with the Commander most likely drawn from IA.

That said, the closest contemporary for AFSOD will be JSOC, not SOCOM.

Implementing something like SOCOM would mean that no SOF unit would remain outside of this command, which is not what we're doing. We're not bringing all existing SOFs under an overarching command structure, rather we're creating a new unit/command by drawing a handful of operators from all three services.

Regardless, I think we can expect a much more streamlined acquisition for AFSOD, but that remains to be seen. I don't expect much to fall into place before 2022.

 

[zapper]

No, just used for duration of the exercise for purposes of kit-familiarization.



He's talking about the Armed Forces Special Operations Division (AFSOD), which will essentially be a triservice division but with the Commander most likely drawn from IA.

That said, the closest contemporary for AFSOD will be JSOC, not SOCOM.

Implementing something like SOCOM would mean that no SOF unit would remain outside of this command, which is not what we're doing. We're not bringing all existing SOFs under an overarching command structure, rather we're creating a new unit/command by drawing a handful of operators from all three services.

Regardless, I think we can expect a much more streamlined acquisition for AFSOD, but that remains to be seen. I don't expect much to fall into place before 2022.

So that's pretty much like US SEAL teams except that AFSOD would fall under IDS which is very likely to be headed by an army general. So far, only NSG has been able to achieve standardization is equipment acquisitions while Paras have different gear/camo/weapons even for operatives belonging to the same unit. Also, AFSOD's wiki page says they're deployed in J&K for CI ops...why would they want to deploy every special force unit in J&K? Can't IA, BSF and CRPF alone handle them wherein we've seen Para SF, Marcos and most recently even NSG was deployed

 

[randomradio]

Do you mean we're implementing something similar to SOCom where all Special Forces would no longer be under the command of IA/IN/IAF but instead by CDS?

Yes. Already implemented. But with Indian masala. It's called Armed Forces Special Operations Division.

 

[Parthu]

Also, AFSOD's wiki page says they're deployed in J&K for CI ops...why would they want to deploy every special force unit in J&K? Can't IA, BSF and CRPF alone handle them wherein we've seen Para SF, Marcos and most recently even NSG was deployed

Because it's a good idea for the country's SOFs to have a high-enough ops tempo, and J&K is where most of those ops are, followed by N-E and of course, PoK.

 

[BlackAnt]

first time seeing hearing protection, again nsg is in the forefront of modernization.

 

[Gautam]

Credit "Shaitan" on D. F. I.

OFB's 0.338 LM sniper with NVD :

7.62x51 OFB sniper rifle with different furniture than what we've seen those far. Polymer made, shoots pretty well I think :

Some competition is always welcome
@Parthu @Milspec @Ashwin et al

 

[Milspec]

Credit "Shaitan" on D. F. I.

OFB's 0.338 LM sniper with NVD :
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7.62x51 OFB sniper rifle with different furniture than what we've seen those far. Polymer made, shoots pretty well I think :

Some competition is always welcome
@Parthu @Milspec @Ashwin et al

Both Look good, the 7.62x51 could adopt the 338lm chassis.

Both have fluted barrels. Wonder if OFB would send me one to test it?

 

[Gautam]

Both Look good, the 7.62x51 could adopt the 338lm chassis.

Both have fluted barrels. Wonder if OFB would send me one to test it?

I am just happy that they aren't just sitting there and are actually trying to make something.

Your signature............
Inspired from the recently seen video ?

 

[BlackAnt]

Credit "Shaitan" on D. F. I.

OFB's 0.338 LM sniper with NVD :
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View attachment 15775

7.62x51 OFB sniper rifle with different furniture than what we've seen those far. Polymer made, shoots pretty well I think :

Some competition is always welcome
@Parthu @Milspec @Ashwin et al

the new stock looks way better than the wooden one. The rifles looks good.

 

[Milspec]

I am just happy that they aren't just sitting there and are actually trying to make something.

Your signature............
Inspired from the recently seen video ?

hell yes....