Pics are from a very reliable source. I am no good at identifying units, so I am going with what he is saying.
Small Arms & Tactical Equipment
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I have talked about in my previous posts,regarding the ak 12 and ak 15 not being the final version but a work in progress,With Kalashnikov working on various improvements ,to be be incorporated in the future production batches,after test and trials and finalization of the new configuration.
Recently Kalashnikov have teased a photo on their page,though they have not revealed any details regarding it ,it appears to be a new version of the AK 12;as per my speculation.Main features to be noted are new longer mlok hand guard ,extending up to the gas block,new rear iron sight,new selector lever,which is most probably ambidextrous,a new muzzle device(appear so!),redesigned trigger guard and a completely new stock,which seem to be adjustable in length,height and side folding,at first glance the new stock does appear to be bulky and resemble a DMR stock ,however I feel it give the rifle a new,more pronounced character.
Now whether it is just a prototype or the new final configuration or a DMR version of AK 12/ak 15 ,is yet to be revealed by the Kalashnikov concern .
Coming to our AK 203 ,I would have like it to have a two point adjustable sling,with wider strap and a padded shoulder pad for comfort,and a bungee cord for the required flexibility.And yes,it should have come in black.
However,I do realize that it is foolish to expect attention regarding such nitty-gritty from those involved in procurement,for whom the idea of a modern rifle in 2020 is this :
With traditional ,basic two point sling,devoid of any comfort,adjustbility, and flexibility.
Tactical awareness and Indian weapon procurement are incompatible to each other.So ,one is not surprised but surely dismayed when police of one of the biggest state in the country (UP) decide to procure insas and SLR in the year 2020, in the name of weapon modernization.Both the rifle are Heavy,bulky,unergonomic,unreliable and non accessory compatible for a modern rifle .One can argue that cost factor was in play ,however an investment is just not in term of number but value,and it is a horrible deal for the value it provide.For 5.56 a decent ar ,which could have been easily purchased within 500 dollar for bulk purchase was a no brainier,they also had the option of domestic p72 rifle,else a cheap 7.62x39mm ak would have made a much more sense.For 7.62x51mm again a cheap ar 10 would have been much better.It make a great business sense to relocate an ar factory from abroad and start catering to various police departments across the country.
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Indian small arms procurement is a disaster in general,albeit with few exceptions such as negev lmg,victrix scorpio and Barrett M95 .
Recently Kalashnikov have teased a photo on their page,though they have not revealed any details regarding it ,it appears to be a new version of the AK 12;as per my speculation.Main features to be noted are new longer mlok hand guard ,extending up to the gas block,new rear iron sight,new selector lever,which is most probably ambidextrous,a new muzzle device(appear so!),redesigned trigger guard and a completely new stock,which seem to be adjustable in length,height and side folding,at first glance the new stock does appear to be bulky and resemble a DMR stock ,however I feel it give the rifle a new,more pronounced character.
Now whether it is just a prototype or the new final configuration or a DMR version of AK 12/ak 15 ,is yet to be revealed by the Kalashnikov concern .
Coming to our AK 203 ,I would have like it to have a two point adjustable sling,with wider strap and a padded shoulder pad for comfort,and a bungee cord for the required flexibility.And yes,it should have come in black.
However,I do realize that it is foolish to expect attention regarding such nitty-gritty from those involved in procurement,for whom the idea of a modern rifle in 2020 is this :
With traditional ,basic two point sling,devoid of any comfort,adjustbility, and flexibility.
Tactical awareness and Indian weapon procurement are incompatible to each other.So ,one is not surprised but surely dismayed when police of one of the biggest state in the country (UP) decide to procure insas and SLR in the year 2020, in the name of weapon modernization.Both the rifle are Heavy,bulky,unergonomic,unreliable and non accessory compatible for a modern rifle .One can argue that cost factor was in play ,however an investment is just not in term of number but value,and it is a horrible deal for the value it provide.For 5.56 a decent ar ,which could have been easily purchased within 500 dollar for bulk purchase was a no brainier,they also had the option of domestic p72 rifle,else a cheap 7.62x39mm ak would have made a much more sense.For 7.62x51mm again a cheap ar 10 would have been much better.It make a great business sense to relocate an ar factory from abroad and start catering to various police departments across the country.
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Indian small arms procurement is a disaster in general,albeit with few exceptions such as negev lmg,victrix scorpio and Barrett M95 .
hahahaha that police dude is holding his bren like a rpg...its depressing seeing how badly trained they are.
Credit to "ManhattanProject" on D. F. I. for the dig.
NSG procurement plan 2019-20, just the firearms portion :
The last one is very interesting. Weren't the NSG trialing the SSS Defence 7.62 sniper recently ? Video attached. Also look at the quantity, just 6. This is surely for extensive trials. I do hope its the SSS Defence rifle. Domestic companies must be supported.
NSG procurement plan 2019-20, just the firearms portion :
The last one is very interesting. Weren't the NSG trialing the SSS Defence 7.62 sniper recently ? Video attached. Also look at the quantity, just 6. This is surely for extensive trials. I do hope its the SSS Defence rifle. Domestic companies must be supported.
i didnt think of that, i hope its true.
thats me by the way who posted it there, i posted the rest of the procurement plan too, go take a look if you want.
The disparity between your 2 account names in 2 forums is staggering. What have we done to you ?
the DFI admins made me change my name, it was just as worse as it is here.The disparity between your 2 account names in 2 forums is staggering. What have we done to you ?
Amethi AK-203 factory unlikely to start operations in 2020
The Indo-Russian plan to make assault rifles in Amethi has missed another key milestone over differences in pricing and the travel ban imposed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, making it highly unlikely for the factory to start operations this year.
As per the plan, the OFB-Kalashnikov joint venture (JV) was to arrive at a fair price for setting up and producing almost seven lakh rifles by May-end. This decision was crucial as official plans were in place to commence work at the factory by this year-end.
However, sources said that the project has hit a roadblock now and with a resolution unlikely soon, the factory is not expected to start operations this year. A fresh price bid was to be submitted but commercial terms could not be agreed upon, given the complex nature of the project that involves complete transfer of technology and building the rifles completely in India for the armed forces as well as possible exports in the future.
Besides its political significance, the factory is expected to generate at least 200 new jobs, including those of specialists and would be geared to produce over 70,000 AK 203 rifles annually. It is also expected to foster a larger ecosystem of suppliers as several components are to be outsourced to MSMEs in Uttar Pradesh as part of the Defence corridor plan.
While negotiations are to continue, there are examples of Indo-Russian collaborative projects that have failed to take off even after agreements were signed at the highest levels. The plan to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft, for example, was shelved after years of work after the Air Force did not give a go ahead. Similarly, discussions have been on for five years to set up a factory to produce Kamov KA 226T light utility helicopters in India but the project has not moved to the contract signing stage.
The OFB is itself going through a churn after the government announced that it would be restructured and corporatised in the coming months, as part of a larger set of reforms for the defence manufacturing sector.
The stalemate is symptomatic of the larger issue that plagues Make in India –– the setting up of new weapons facilities is cost intensive, pushing up the cost of domestically manufactured arms and making them more expensive than direct imports. However, these costs can be brought down in the long run by mass production and pursuing export opportunities.
The order to manufacture a record 670,00 Kalashnikov AK 203 rifles for the Indian Army has been under discussions for over a year now. The joint project is a high priority for both nations, with Prime Minister Modi and President Vladimir Putin known to have taken a personal initiative to take it ahead at the earliest.
The number is likely to increase to at least 750,000 later as requirements of other forces are added to the order. According to the plan, complete transfer of technology of all components will be achieved during the early stage of production. These rifles will replace the INSAS assault rifles currently in service.
Amethi AK-203 factory unlikely to start operations in 2020
I hope this deal falls through once and for all and we'd opt for SSS Rifles. Even if there are shortcomings during testing, I'm sure SSS would definitely work through and fix em
The Indo-Russian plan to make assault rifles in Amethi has missed another key milestone over differences in pricing and the travel ban imposed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, making it highly unlikely for the factory to start operations this year.
As per the plan, the OFB-Kalashnikov joint venture (JV) was to arrive at a fair price for setting up and producing almost seven lakh rifles by May-end. This decision was crucial as official plans were in place to commence work at the factory by this year-end.
However, sources said that the project has hit a roadblock now and with a resolution unlikely soon, the factory is not expected to start operations this year. A fresh price bid was to be submitted but commercial terms could not be agreed upon, given the complex nature of the project that involves complete transfer of technology and building the rifles completely in India for the armed forces as well as possible exports in the future.
Besides its political significance, the factory is expected to generate at least 200 new jobs, including those of specialists and would be geared to produce over 70,000 AK 203 rifles annually. It is also expected to foster a larger ecosystem of suppliers as several components are to be outsourced to MSMEs in Uttar Pradesh as part of the Defence corridor plan.
While negotiations are to continue, there are examples of Indo-Russian collaborative projects that have failed to take off even after agreements were signed at the highest levels. The plan to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft, for example, was shelved after years of work after the Air Force did not give a go ahead. Similarly, discussions have been on for five years to set up a factory to produce Kamov KA 226T light utility helicopters in India but the project has not moved to the contract signing stage.
The OFB is itself going through a churn after the government announced that it would be restructured and corporatised in the coming months, as part of a larger set of reforms for the defence manufacturing sector.
The stalemate is symptomatic of the larger issue that plagues Make in India –– the setting up of new weapons facilities is cost intensive, pushing up the cost of domestically manufactured arms and making them more expensive than direct imports. However, these costs can be brought down in the long run by mass production and pursuing export opportunities.
The order to manufacture a record 670,00 Kalashnikov AK 203 rifles for the Indian Army has been under discussions for over a year now. The joint project is a high priority for both nations, with Prime Minister Modi and President Vladimir Putin known to have taken a personal initiative to take it ahead at the earliest.
The number is likely to increase to at least 750,000 later as requirements of other forces are added to the order. According to the plan, complete transfer of technology of all components will be achieved during the early stage of production. These rifles will replace the INSAS assault rifles currently in service.
Amethi AK-203 factory unlikely to start operations in 2020
I hope this deal falls through once and for all and we'd opt for SSS Rifles. Even if there are shortcomings during testing, I'm sure SSS would definitely work through and fix em
It's good to see that Garuds have transitioned to laser cut plate carriers :
Meanwhile a specimen of poor workmanship,quality,fit and finish on Insas.
One thing I would like for SSS defense to incorporate on their sniper rifles is a quick detachable carrying handle along with a hook,just like victrix sniper rifles :
The carrying handle would not only help in lugging around the sniper rifle :
But could also act as a forward grip for shooting :
While the hook would would enable easy rope attachment ,for the heliborne ops :
Meanwhile a specimen of poor workmanship,quality,fit and finish on Insas.
One thing I would like for SSS defense to incorporate on their sniper rifles is a quick detachable carrying handle along with a hook,just like victrix sniper rifles :
The carrying handle would not only help in lugging around the sniper rifle :
But could also act as a forward grip for shooting :
While the hook would would enable easy rope attachment ,for the heliborne ops :
It is highly likely than the Paramilitary forces will end up procuring the SSS Defence Sniper Rifles.
The 7.62x51 Viper sniper rifle seems to have completed the trials with the paramilitary forces.
I hope SSS Defence is among the 17 companies mentioned here :
MHA holds discussions with 17 companies for making arms
The Union home ministry has held discussions with 17 private Indian companies including Larsen & Toubro and Godrej for local manufacturing of small arms for central armed police forces (CAPFs), in its attempt to promote self-reliance.
Someone is making some commision money. These guys are buying 9mm rounds for 0.47$/round, last I remember i picked up bulk115gr 9mm for close to 0.15$/ round. Even now I think you can pick up ammo from freedom munitions for 0.22/rd.
9mm ball ammo for 0.47 $/ round seems a bit much.
Tonbo was infact great when it comes to quality and delivered well ahead of schedule. Their products were priced well below their western counterparts but the kickback hungry top brass of IA wouldn't hesitate to kill any indigenous project for their commissions
MoD should impose a self arms embargo for all weapons systems where we made significant progress...starting with small arms, troop carriers/mechanized units and artillery systems