Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Sathya said:
If we want build additional Su30 squadrons in UPG configuration, Upgrade configuration must be certified before that.

Which again falls in the timeline of Mk2 & MRFA.. Do we need more heavy fighters in same timeline ?

Engine deal is eluding us both GE & NG JV engine.. If this is sorted out..Rest of the things will in place..

Additional Su 30 order can serve us as back up plan in case everything fails.. And 7 years has crossed by then..

Immediate possibility Mk1 A hopefully from next year..

Short term additional squads Mk1 B .

Medium term = Mk2, Ghatak, MRFA & Super sukhoi..

Long term = Amca & Tedbf with MRFA JV engines.
Click to expand...
In India some people are of the notion that we don't need any heavy fighters and medium weight jets with 3 EFTs are be all, end all for us. However, if we look towards our prime adversary(and it ain't Pak no more), they have 700+ heavy-weight fighter jets. How many we have got?

Just 259 and out of these only 150 odd combat capable at any given time(with ~60% availability). More new MKI UPGs shall allow us to integrate BrahMos-A with our old MKIs without updating them and we could have a mini-bomber striker force without too much shuffling.

MKI UPG. shall also work with CCAs best because of its larger size, higher endurance and integral second cockpit. Anyways, only Tejas program (MK1A & MK2) can save our dwindling squadron numbers in this decade. With Trump in power, things would resume normalcy from next year onwards. Rest all are(including ordering more MKI UPGs etc.) literally next-decade programmes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marich01 and Sathya
_Anonymous_ said:
Should also explain the reason the former SU went in for the kind of quantities they did . Apart from a vast land mass & "Quantity " being a "Quality" of its own , it also conformed to their training philosophy. No surprises China's following the same philosophy whereas Russians are struggling with it for years due to economic issues.
Click to expand...
Although Russian aircraft generally have a lower lifespan than those in the West, the reason is not that aircraft are consumable.
On the one hand, Russian technology is not as good as the West, on the other hand, Russian life calculation is very crude, such as the life span of 2500 hours of Su 27, China can often use more than 6000 hours.
The high number of plane crashes in India is mainly due to poor maintenance, which has little to do with the plane itself
 
LX1111 said:
Although Russian aircraft generally have a lower lifespan than those in the West, the reason is not that aircraft are consumable.
On the one hand, Russian technology is not as good as the West, on the other hand, Russian life calculation is very crude, such as the life span of 2500 hours of Su 27, China can often use more than 6000 hours.
The high number of plane crashes in India is mainly due to poor maintenance, which has little to do with the plane itself
Click to expand...
Chinese flankers have a similar lifespan, except for the latest variants.

High Indian attrition rates compared to PLAAN are due to the fact that the Chinese do not publish crash reports like other open nations.

I keep asking the question that you don't seem to answer. What is the reason for the lowest-ever export sales for Chinese fighters, even when Russians are under sanctions? Is it that no one trusts the Chinese fighters with unproven Chinese engines?
 
Ashwin said:
Chinese flankers have a similar lifespan, except for the latest variants.

High Indian attrition rates compared to PLAAN are due to the fact that the Chinese do not publish crash reports like other open nations
Click to expand...
China in the Su-27 aircraft localization improvement and process, The welding combination frame of the segmented medium-sized die forgings is replaced by the large-size titanium alloy die forging frame with partial integral structure. Greatly enhance the structural strength and fatigue strength of aircraft, in the design and production of aircraft structure to obtain a very prominent weight loss and life extension effect, At the same time, the use of electron beam welding technology to replace the Russian Submersible arc welding technology.
1732592216260.jpeg


First, China has improved the process and increased the service life of the Su-27 aircraft
 
Ashwin said:
I keep asking the question that you don't seem to answer. What is the reason for the lowest-ever export sales for Chinese fighters, even when Russians are under sanctions? Is it that no one trusts the Chinese fighters with unproven Chinese engines
Click to expand...
Where did you Get the data? In the last year alone, China exported JF 17 to AzerbaiJan and J 10C to EGypt. Myanmar also inCreased orders for FTG 2000G
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Lolwa
LX1111 said:
Where did you Get the data? In the last year alone, China exported JF 17 to AzerbaiJan and J 10C to EGypt. Myanmar also inCreased orders for FTG 2000G
Click to expand...
It's publicly available data. China used to sell aircraft like J-7 in hundreds; now it's celebrating a few dozens as an achievement. Show me the historical data if im wrong.

Did you imagine J-10 export to egypt? Please dont include things that are not confirmed.

LX1111 said:
China in the Su-27 aircraft localization improvement and process, The welding combination frame of the segmented medium-sized die forgings is replaced by the large-size titanium alloy die forging frame with partial integral structure. Greatly enhance the structural strength and fatigue strength of aircraft, in the design and production of aircraft structure to obtain a very prominent weight loss and life extension effect, At the same time, the use of electron beam welding technology to replace the Russian Submersible arc welding technology.
View attachment 38353

First, China has improved the process and increased the service life of the Su-27 aircraft
Click to expand...
No other nations use it to verify the claims.
 
Ashwin said:
It's publicly available data. China used to sell aircraft like J-7 in hundreds; now it's celebrating a few dozens as an achievement. Show me the historical data if im wrong.

Did you imagine J-10 export to egypt? Please dont include things that are not confirmed
Click to expand...
Quite simply, the biggest customers, Iran and Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, no longer need hundreds of fighter jets to fight
www.raialyoum.com

“مصر تستبدل مُقاتلات F-16 الأمريكية بمُقاتلات صينية متطورة”.. الإعلام العبري يتحدّث عن الصفقة المُنتظرة

الناصرة ـ "رأي اليوم": كشفت وسائل إعلام إسرائيلية، أن القوات الجوية المصرية طلبت طائرات مقاتلة من الجيل الرابع من الصين بدلا من تحديث طائرات F-16. وبحسب ما نشرته وسائل الإعلام العبرية فقد قدمت وزارة الدفاع المصرية أول طلبية على الإطلاق لشراء طائرات مقاتلة صينية من الجيل الرابع، مع طلب عدد غير...
www.raialyoum.com www.raialyoum.com
defensearabia.com

مصر تقتني مقاتلات J-10C الصينية.. تحليل معمق | Defense Arabia

علي الهاشم – باحث ومختص بمجال الدفاع والطيران والأنظمة العسكرية شهدت الساحة العسكرية الإقليمية تطوراً ملحوظاً بإعلان مصر عن صفقة شراء مقاتلات متعددة
defensearabia.com defensearabia.com

ArabiC report on Egypt's J-10C purChase

Ashwin said:
No other nations use it to verify the claims.
Click to expand...
You can call the CIA and ask about China's improvements in the production of the Su 27. I think he'd be happy to tell you
 
LX1111 said:
Quite simply, the biggest customers, Iran and Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, no longer need hundreds of fighter jets to fight
www.raialyoum.com

“مصر تستبدل مُقاتلات F-16 الأمريكية بمُقاتلات صينية متطورة”.. الإعلام العبري يتحدّث عن الصفقة المُنتظرة

الناصرة ـ "رأي اليوم": كشفت وسائل إعلام إسرائيلية، أن القوات الجوية المصرية طلبت طائرات مقاتلة من الجيل الرابع من الصين بدلا من تحديث طائرات F-16. وبحسب ما نشرته وسائل الإعلام العبرية فقد قدمت وزارة الدفاع المصرية أول طلبية على الإطلاق لشراء طائرات مقاتلة صينية من الجيل الرابع، مع طلب عدد غير...
www.raialyoum.com www.raialyoum.com
defensearabia.com

مصر تقتني مقاتلات J-10C الصينية.. تحليل معمق | Defense Arabia

علي الهاشم – باحث ومختص بمجال الدفاع والطيران والأنظمة العسكرية شهدت الساحة العسكرية الإقليمية تطوراً ملحوظاً بإعلان مصر عن صفقة شراء مقاتلات متعددة
defensearabia.com defensearabia.com

ArabiC report on Egypt's J-10C purChase
Click to expand...
You can always find new customers. Thats how it works in arms trade. Rafale and F-35 are selling like hot cakes.

Iraq ordered Rafale btw.

LX1111 said:
You can call the CIA and ask about China's improvements in the production of the Su 27. I think he'd be happy to tell you
Click to expand...
Obviously, Who is going to trust the cheap production capital of the world for quality claims.
 
Ashwin said:
You can always find new customers. Thats how it works in arms trade. Rafale and F-35 are selling like hot cakes
Click to expand...
The truth is that we don't have that many new customers, and not all countries are willing to risk offending the United States by buying Chinese planes. Especially a country like Iraq that was built with American help
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ashwin
Ashwin said:
Who claimed so? We respect IP rights to our determent.
Click to expand...
That is to say, India will implement all of Sukhoi's processes, even if they are backward and inefficient?
In the production of su 27 we found a lot of backward processing methods in Russia in the 1960s, and we changed them, For example, the use of home-made CMM instead of a lot of old Soviet equipment
1732600020591.jpeg

CMM was rare in the 1990s, but China was able to produce
 
Last edited:
LX1111 said:
That is to say, India will implement all of Sukhoi's processes, even if they are backward and inefficient?
In the production of su 27 we found a lot of backward processing methods in Russia in the 1960s, and we changed them, For example, the use of home-made CMM instead of a lot of old Soviet equipment
View attachment 38356
CMM was rare in the 1990s, but China was able to produce
Click to expand...
I don't know enough details to comment on this. However, we started production later in 2004 compared to your counterparts. It could have been better.
 
Hydra said:
The so called best 4.5 aircraft according to you.
Click to expand...
Actually I missed "heavyweight" from that post that you're alluding to. My bad! The best 4.5gen fighter as per me is Rafale, period.

MKI would be best 4.5gen in heavy-weight category, but that's solely in my 'subjective' opinion and you don't need to treat my words like gospel.
 
Rajput Lion said:
Actually I missed "heavyweight" from that post that you're alluding to. My bad! The best 4.5gen fighter as per me is Rafale, period.

MKI would be best 4.5gen in heavy-weight category, but that's solely in my 'subjective' opinion and you don't need to treat my words like gospel.
Click to expand...
Best heavy weight 4.5 gen is flying without 1) AESA radar 2)No MAWS 3) Vintage glass cockpit 4) No holographic HUD.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom