Any chance for further increase? This one is the finest artillery existing today.
Sukhoi Su-30MKI
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This is not a deal with russia but HAL. Its written on the document which is visible.
What does an old misreporting have to do with this deal? Assumptions don't make sense.
Beyond 300, I don't know, but there is requirement for more considering the number of armored brigades. It may end with 300 because an FRCV based SPH could fulfill the rest when that comes along. So 15 regiments (300) of K9 and perhaps 10 regiments of a new design.
Yeah, since it's with HAL, the deal will be MKI-centric. This is a lot more similar to the T-90 deal. So either new tech or some additional ToT. But it also means HAL will sign whatever's necessary with Russia. MoD is merely introducing a middle man.
MKI's indigenization is currently at 57%. This deal is said to increase that to 67%. So makes sense that this deal comes with that additional 10%. And the IAF's goal is to sign all the deals necessary to bring as close to 100% as possible the MRO of all of their jets as per what they announced a few years ago.
Simply put, this deal is 12 MKIs plus something else.
Tbh its not middle man, rather HAL would be making those from scratch. Huge difference, yes the materials many of the volume will be imported but what Govt wanted always is local production under ToT/licensing and part local sourcing only. This part is the policymakers will, HAL merely there to facilitate that.
I'm not sure about it being made from scratch, just kit assembly. We don't have access to the landing gear, it was built in Russia to cut costs, so that's where I think we may have received some ToT, so (correction) 62.5%.
Anyway, this deal increasingly looks like it's connected to the MLU program. Russia's providing some tech and that's part of the upgrade contract.
The latest batch will have indigenous content of ~62%, so far away from MLU target of near 80%.
Anyways, as I said earlier, re-opening the production line for 12 jets is simply asinine. Even the Americans didn't do it for F-22 because of cost escalations. So I hope we end up ordering 50-70 more, but of course, in UPG. configuration.
Anyways, as I said earlier, re-opening the production line for 12 jets is simply asinine. Even the Americans didn't do it for F-22 because of cost escalations. So I hope we end up ordering 50-70 more, but of course, in UPG. configuration.
Climbing up from 57 or 58% to 62.5% is of greater consequence on the standard MKI 'cause it's composed of tech that was earlier denied by Russia. The increase by replacing the radar and other Russian and Israeli avionics is just a bonus that's within our control. At 78%, it would mean all the non-Indian stuff being replaced would represent 15.5% of the total cost. The second phase could achieve a higher percentage, but hopefully by then we will have full control over the airframe and avionics. After all, the MKI still has 40-50 years left in the IAF.
We won't do it for just 12 I think..
Maybe like the Su 30 engines ( 2 numbers were immediately delivered after getting signed)
We also already made parts and assembling them would be done entirely in a year if it's old configuration or more likely in small batches in UPG configuration for testing & certifying Su 30 UPG .
If the airframe undergoes significant weight reduction (due to lighter radar, avionics, composites, etc), Sukhoi will likely need to modify the FCS.
Otherwise, we should see a wholesale swapping out of Russian gear with local systems including mission computer, radar processors, etc.
Apart from the Sigma-95N INS/GPS, everything French is also likely on the way out. MFDs, for example. Except we might integrate the same Thales IFF that's on the MiG-29UPG.
Remains to be seen if the chunky Israeli (ElOp) HUD gets replaced by a sleek digital one.
I'd love to see all the dial pointer instruments and flip switches in the cockpit gone. Our MKI pilots need a cleaner 'office' to work out of.
Otherwise, we should see a wholesale swapping out of Russian gear with local systems including mission computer, radar processors, etc.
Apart from the Sigma-95N INS/GPS, everything French is also likely on the way out. MFDs, for example. Except we might integrate the same Thales IFF that's on the MiG-29UPG.
Remains to be seen if the chunky Israeli (ElOp) HUD gets replaced by a sleek digital one.
I'd love to see all the dial pointer instruments and flip switches in the cockpit gone. Our MKI pilots need a cleaner 'office' to work out of.
Edit: Any idea why the Su-35/Su-30SM2/Su-57 series have 2× large displays versus just 1 LAD? Would it be technically feasible to add a scaled variant of the LCA Mk2 LAD to MKI UPG?
Yes, there could be additional content due to the additional localization. That doesn't mean it's part of MLU.
Astra Rafael Comsys received Rs.255.88 crores order from Ministry of Defence.
Orders are worth an aggregate amount of Rs. 255 crores for the supply of 93 additional sets of Software Defined Radios (SDR) LRUs with A kits, SBC 2 card, and Network Centric Operations application for the Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft.
Orders are worth an aggregate amount of Rs. 255 crores for the supply of 93 additional sets of Software Defined Radios (SDR) LRUs with A kits, SBC 2 card, and Network Centric Operations application for the Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft.
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SDR order came thru, they did say it was having sme repeat trials or such in previous calls. So finally its good even though imported mostly, sort of.
Turns out the MKI deal for 12 is production from raw materials stage and will take until 2027 to deliver.
This is golden opportunity for us to replace TI/AI parts/panels with CFC. Having manufacturing rights from the raw-material stage is a big thumbs up from me as it allows us to modify the jet in a way that IAF deems perfect
This is golden opportunity for us to replace TI/AI parts/panels with CFC. Having manufacturing rights from the raw-material stage is a big thumbs up from me as it allows us to modify the jet in a way that IAF deems perfect
HAL shares jump 2% as Defence Ministry signs Rs 13,500-crore deal for 12 Su-30MKI aircraft
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) secured a ₹13,500 crore contract from the Ministry of Defence to supply 12 Su-30MKI fighter aircraft. This deal boosts India's defense capabilities and supports the 'Aatmanirbhar Bharat' initiative with 62.6% homegrown content. HAL's stock surged following the...
India Orders 12 Locally-Built Su-30MKI Jets for $1.5 Billion
The Indian government has contracted state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to produce 12 Su-30MKI fighter jets for the Indian Air Force.
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62.6% This is public information. Don't fantasize
Far better than fantasizing over aircraft tail numbers.HAL shares jump 2% as Defence Ministry signs Rs 13,500-crore deal for 12 Su-30MKI aircraft
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) secured a ₹13,500 crore contract from the Ministry of Defence to supply 12 Su-30MKI fighter aircraft. This deal boosts India's defense capabilities and supports the 'Aatmanirbhar Bharat' initiative with 62.6% homegrown content. HAL's stock surged following the...www.google.com
The aircraft will feature a homegrown content of 62.6%, achieved through the indigenisation of numerous components manufactured by the Indian defence industry.India Orders 12 Locally-Built Su-30MKI Jets for $1.5 Billion
The Indian government has contracted state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to produce 12 Su-30MKI fighter jets for the Indian Air Force.
62.6% This is public information. Don't fantasize
Whatever you think, I'm quoting data from the Indian media, and you're just imagining things. I think I have a lot more credibility than you
Yeah that's the difference. We have "credible" numbers.
I asked you multiple times for J-20, Chinese engine and J-15 numbers. You gave me "trust me bro".