Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Picdelamirand-oil said:
What about RBE2? With the size of the MKI nose the performance would be impressive.
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Would France be willing to provide RBE-2AA details to Russia also? Because the radar codes will be necessary to integrate Russian weapons as well, which will need Russian facilities. That would be the biggest problem with integrating a non-Russian/Indian radar on the MKI. They have to integrate the radar with the aircraft's electrical systems, the new engine and flight test it also, all of this will happen in Russia.

It's not such a problem for LCA or Jaguar because we will be using Western/Indian weapons on them. We haven't reached the point where we can simply throw away our massive inventory of Russian weapons yet.
 
randomradio said:
Many years actually. If they start now, a version for MKI may become available only around 2025.
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If we are good with Uttam testing on LCA LSP, The MKI up-gradation will have the same software feature as LCA for various tracking mode, and we may need to fabricate a bigger radar, colling system and the power input unit for support. The fire control module may need a compatibility test. It seems to be possible but we have to decide are we ready to invest our $$ for this up-gradation?
 
randomradio said:
Would France be willing to provide RBE-2AA details to Russia also? Because the radar codes will be necessary to integrate Russian weapons as well, which will need Russian facilities. That would be the biggest problem with integrating a non-Russian/Indian radar on the MKI. They have to integrate the radar with the aircraft's electrical systems, the new engine and flight test it also, all of this will happen in Russia.

It's not such a problem for LCA or Jaguar because we will be using Western/Indian weapons on them. We haven't reached the point where we can simply throw away our massive inventory of Russian weapons yet.
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Normally weapons are not integrated directly to Radar, they are integrated with the software of the tactical computer so the problem is to integrate the radar with the software of the tactical computer. For that you have to define physical interface (generally a bus) and half a dozen of messages. It could be done even with the russian ;)
 
TARGET said:
If we are good with Uttam testing on LCA LSP, The MKI up-gradation will have the same software feature as LCA for various tracking mode, and we may need to fabricate a bigger radar, colling system and the power input unit for support. The fire control module may need a compatibility test. It seems to be possible but we have to decide are we ready to invest our $$ for this up-gradation?
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That is why desi systems are very important. Tejas mk2 will substitute MKI in many roles and will save huge amount of money.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:
Normally weapons are not integrated directly to Radar, they are integrated with the software of the tactical computer so the problem is to integrate the radar with the software of the tactical computer. For that you have to define physical interface (generally a bus) and half a dozen of messages. It could be done even with the russian ;)
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So I take it France will be willing to provide everything necessary to Russia for the design, testing and integration of the RBE-2AA on the MKI?

It will be interesting to see what IAF does if that happens.
 
TARGET said:
If we are good with Uttam testing on LCA LSP, The MKI up-gradation will have the same software feature as LCA for various tracking mode, and we may need to fabricate a bigger radar, colling system and the power input unit for support. The fire control module may need a compatibility test. It seems to be possible but we have to decide are we ready to invest our $$ for this up-gradation?
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If the radar is ready, the process of upgradation itself will be cheap. The problem is not that, the problem is one of time. Will the IAF wait until well after 2025 to get a modernised MKI with AESA? We still have to wait for Uttam to finish development first, then modernised and integrated with MKI. There's also the question of manpower, whether LRDE actually has enough people to develop AESA radars for 3-4 different jets at the same time. The MWF and AMCA will take up a lot of resources. So we can end up with a lot of unexpected delays. The Bars AESA is a much less risky prospect in comparison.
 
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Sathya said:
From Aashish posts,

F21 deal included request from India for Silent eagle package for Su30mki which US denied, then only.

Rafale and F21 supposed to bring in Kichidi mix to develop our Mk2/MWF.
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That is actually a good idea. Rafale, F21 and Su30MKI upgraded with silent eagle package. These three will be nasty together. IAF will have complete air/ground superiority. Throw in S400, Barak, Spyder and Akash. wooohoooooo!!
 
Sathya said:
From Aashish posts,

F21 deal included request from India for Silent eagle package for Su30mki which US denied, then only.

Rafale and F21 supposed to bring in Kichidi mix to develop our Mk2/MWF.
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Frankly, I doubt if the F-21 has any scope in India from whatever has transpired since February.
 
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Digital Radar Warning Receiver (Dhruti): DR118 digital RWR is a state-of-the-art, six channel digital RWR for Su-30 MKI. It is an airborne, tactical EW system that performs the function of creating situational awareness to the pilot about ground-based, air-borne or ship-borne emitters present in the scenario. During the year, RWR was tested on Su-30 integration rig to verify the compatibility of the digital RWR with the existing avionic architecture of Su-30 MKI. Ground testing of RWR against fly catcher, SRE (S-band), SRE (L-band), Bharani Mk-I and AEW&C radars was also carried out. Ground integration on Su-30MKI and ground acceptance tests was successfully completed.
 
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Sathya said:
F21 deal included request from India for Silent eagle package for Su30mki which US denied, then only.
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No such thing has ever happened.

Shekhar Singh said:
How effective it will be if they integrate S400 on Super sukhoi? Which radar it will use, ground based or Sukhoi's AESA?
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Mind numbingly more effective than the Meteor.

The basic range of the S-400 from ground is just 20-40Km against terrain hugging targets. With the MKI, the same will increase to more than 150Km against small targets. S-400s batteries will be able to fire their weapons much earlier and will have no real blindspots. Just 1 MKI will saturate an entire sector.

Picdelamirand-oil said:
I know that Thales made such a proposal to IAF.
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IAF won't consider another offer unless the Russians absolutely fail. Plus it's a political decision anyway.

It would be interesting to see the extent of the proposal made, if someone makes it public some day.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
Frankly, I doubt if the F-21 has any scope in India from whatever has transpired since February.
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Yep I also think same.. Excepting Forward base requirements and hellfires initial prediction of one of the teens getting contract...

And mk1A still remains mystery, thankfully test pilot Harsha vardhan informed work has started on mk1A.
Even though no news about engine..

Picdelamirand-oil said:
I know that Thales made such a proposal to IAF.
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If RBE is let it, Elta also will compete..
Thales will be expensive & restrictions wrt weaponry... Means Elta getting the contract again..
 
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