I don't think only Mki can do that, surely we would want to integrate with every platform especially AWACS..
Sukhoi Su-30MKI
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I don't think only Mki can do that, surely we would want to integrate with every platform especially AWACS..
Only Russian radars can do it because we don't have all the ToT necessary to do it ourselves. And it's not like the Russians will allow it anyway. The S-400 is alreay mated to Russian AWACS.
But we can do it to our own SAMs sometime in the future, when we actually develop those SAMs. Then we can mate our SAMs to the MWF and our own AWACS.
As a general rule, if whatever we're doing is likely to drive us away from Western partnerships (or antagonize/stagnate our relations with those countries), then Russians won't object. As this will ensure India has limited options when looking for solutions in future, and therefore be forced to come to Russia again.
If what we're doing is effectively nullifying Russian influence or market access in a particular field, then they won't stand for it.
Pretty standard procedure for them. Although, in the case of ASRAAM there is a bigger issue. We'd have to slave a Western-sourced missile with the Russian Sura HMD. The integration will not be allowed for obvious reasons. Unless we first replace the Sura with an Israeli TARGO, but of course that requires Russian approval as well. However it's likely easier to get (i.e. slaving Russian R-73 to LCA's TARGO wasn't a problem).
Wow, that's good then, due to online sources I was confused and thought that R-27's were only Medium Range ~ 50 km or so. I think Pakistani AIM-120C's max out around 100 km. I also found out after posting my question that apparently we did in fact order certain other missiles a while back (after the skirmish) - including BVR R-77's as well as potentially some "AWACS-Killer" X-31s (I am curious whether India has had AWACS killers before this or not).
Just hope our guys are told "weapons free" next time.
Horrible purchase.Why the hell would you buy obsolete r-27s with semi active seeker?Idiots should have bought R-77-1 if K-77 is not available.They went cheap and again got a very inferior product.R-27 is absolutely no match for AMRAAM.
It is for war wastage reserves. The numbers count too in case a real war breaks out...
The amount of work HAL, NAL, DARE and some private companies are putting into modifying the Su-30MKI, is mind boggling. Just keeping track of CFDs, FEMs, among other simulations are hard to keep up with.
Let me see if I can compile some of the planned upgrades. Before that here is a break up of "who makes what" of the Su-30MKI :
DARE designed under-wing pylon interference beam with both forward and backward looking MAWS aperture :
CFD analysis of the same has been completed. It is now being readied for flight testing.
Of course this needs no introduction. As AM R. Nambiar said in an interview recently, the Brahmos AL will be inducted within months.
Plenty of inlet distortion studies done to optimise combat tactics and to improve aerodynamic performance during low speed-low altitude defensive combat maneuvers :
This was the original plan for the distributed aperture MAWS/RWS and EW system :
One part of that plan has already been put to work
This photo is from Aero India 2019. Notice the little green thing on the flap ? That is probably a RWS sensor, one of the many put all around the aircraft.
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Let me see if I can compile some of the planned upgrades. Before that here is a break up of "who makes what" of the Su-30MKI :
DARE designed under-wing pylon interference beam with both forward and backward looking MAWS aperture :
CFD analysis of the same has been completed. It is now being readied for flight testing.
Of course this needs no introduction. As AM R. Nambiar said in an interview recently, the Brahmos AL will be inducted within months.
Plenty of inlet distortion studies done to optimise combat tactics and to improve aerodynamic performance during low speed-low altitude defensive combat maneuvers :
This was the original plan for the distributed aperture MAWS/RWS and EW system :
One part of that plan has already been put to work
This photo is from Aero India 2019. Notice the little green thing on the flap ? That is probably a RWS sensor, one of the many put all around the aircraft.
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The DCMAWS probably hasn't been certified yet. It will be soon enough :
Of course there are new pods of all kinds :
Wing end EW pods :
SIVA targeting pod :
Elta ELL-8251 escort jammer :
Of course this isn't new, Rafael LITENING G4 targeting pod :
Other updates include :
Prasun K. Sengupta says : "The SEAD-optimised and DEAD-optimized Super Su-30MKIs will also be equipped with EADS/Cassidian’s Ariel Mk3 towed RF-decoys."
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Of course there are new pods of all kinds :
Wing end EW pods :
SIVA targeting pod :
Elta ELL-8251 escort jammer :
Of course this isn't new, Rafael LITENING G4 targeting pod :
Other updates include :
Prasun K. Sengupta says : "The SEAD-optimised and DEAD-optimized Super Su-30MKIs will also be equipped with EADS/Cassidian’s Ariel Mk3 towed RF-decoys."
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On the counter measures front we have the new BDL made flare dispenser and HEMRL made flares :
Chaff from Chemring :
Some EW control units :
EW technique :
In short, plenty of Indian systems going in, plenty of new weapons coming in a few years. Problem areas remain engines, primary radar and IRST. Although there has been a interest(and some step taken) in making our IRST, its too early to judge where that is going.
Edit : Oh and HAL unveiled this :
Advanced cockpit system for sensor fusion development. The Jaguar MAX cockpit is based on this. Who knows Su-30 MKI might get one too. Still just a prototype though.
Chaff from Chemring :
Some EW control units :
EW technique :
In short, plenty of Indian systems going in, plenty of new weapons coming in a few years. Problem areas remain engines, primary radar and IRST. Although there has been a interest(and some step taken) in making our IRST, its too early to judge where that is going.
Edit : Oh and HAL unveiled this :
Advanced cockpit system for sensor fusion development. The Jaguar MAX cockpit is based on this. Who knows Su-30 MKI might get one too. Still just a prototype though.
We should ask only the new engines for MKI to Russia and other upgrades do indigenously.
I doubt the Russians will allow us to integrate a non-Russian radar and IRST. Maybe we can squeak out the IRST if we can make one ourselves, but the radar is out of the question. If the radar turns out to be non-Russian they they will suffer a huge loss of market. The Russian influence over future purchase radar guided weaponry would be lost. With the introduction of Astra MK1, upcoming MK2 and future SFDR, their influence in that department is already waning.We should ask only the new engines for MKI to Russia and other upgrades do indigenously.
Best case scenario, we get to put our own IRST in the MKI along with Russian radar and engines. That is more or less what we are aiming at right now.
Its a semi active radar homing missile.No one uses them anymore .I hope they got the longer range version at least.
Bhramos, SfDR are JV
Hope we could also do JV for aesa radar.. With necessary Codes.. To integrate our own choice of weapons.
We cannot lag behind in weaponry to neighbor s..
We bought R-27 to replinish stocks as an emergency purchase. It doesn't define future capability.
Plus both the semi-active version and IR version are kickass on the MKI. You fire both, the chances of survival is very low for the enemy.
