Syrian Civil War - News & Discussions

Syria has totally changed in the last 2 weeks.


The Russians and Iranians are handing over Syria to crazy people, who are very likely to fight the West in the near future when they start making a move towards Israel. Assad's family has already run off to Moscow and Assad is likely to follow.

The Russians are withdrawing from Latakia to Tartus, likely gonna withdraw from there.

In the meantime, the SAA is not putting up a fight anywhere, they are withdrawing to Dasamcus. And they have allowed the Kurds to cross the Euphrates River.

American led rebels in the Southeast and South are pushing towards Damascus as well.

So this Syrian chapter is coming to a close pretty soon.

New map as of half a day ago. Compare with the second map above.
 
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Leaving the red area stay red keeps the Lebanese Hezbollah around, and that defeats the purpose of what's being done by the West and Israel in Syria. There's not gonna be any red area left.

The yellow bit keeps the Kurds alive, and keeps Iraq/Iran away from the green bit, which will be entirely composed of crazy Sunni Islamists, 'cause Iraq/Iran will have to fight the US to get to it. Not gonna happen, or not gonna happen yet.

Erdogan and his green chums are gonna hate the yellow ones, so the US is gonna be sandwiched between the two for a very long time.

It's unclear if Russia plans to withdraw temporarily or permanently, but they have been completely cut off from the Middle East and North Africa and that does not bode well for longterm peace in the region, they still have the sea route via the Baltic. It will be interesting to see what Iran will do though, their Shia crescent to the Mediterranean has been cut off, and they no longer have access to Lebanon.
 
There is nothing like good terrorist and bad terrorist, but shia terrorist aren't as bad as sunni terrorist. Now Syria is going to be ruled by a sunni terrorists.
 

Looks like Damascus has fallen. Assad is MIA, potentially killed in a plane crash? This went down very quickly. Sad to see Islamists taking control. Maybe Israel and/or Turkey will expand and take buffer space?

This is a humiliating defeat for Russia and Iran.
 
Yeah. Damascus has fallen.


But more importantly Homs has fallen. It's likely the rebels will allow time for the Russians, Iranians and Assad loyalists to retreat via Tartus.

This year has been disastrous for Iran's strategic posture. Hamas has been dismantled and Hezbollah's leadership has been decapitated. Syria is gone and so has any chance of Iran reaching the Mediterranean. They have some proxies left in Iraq and the Houthis but even they are limited to the outskirts of the region.

This ultimately stems from Russia getting bogged down in Ukraine and being unable to support their allies in the region with equipment/intelligence. It feels like it's only a matter of time before Iran's opponents begin to encroach into Iran proper. Probably starts with the Azeris.
 
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There is nothing like good terrorist and bad terrorist, but shia terrorist aren't as bad as sunni terrorist. Now Syria is going to be ruled by a sunni terrorists.

Both are the same.

The only country that wins, temporarily, is Israel. The rest are going to suffer. Especially the Lebanese. I think the Kurds are gonna be in for a world of hurt too.
 
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Both are the same.

The only country that wins, temporarily, is Israel. The rest are going to suffer. Especially the Lebanese. I think the Kurds are gonna be in for a world of hurt too.
Turkey is also a huge winner in all of this, perhaps even moreso than Israel. I'm curious to see the GCC reaction (or inaction) to these developments. Lately I feel they have gotten much less involved in the regional dynamics and are more focused inwards.
 
Turkey is also a huge winner in all of this, perhaps even moreso than Israel. I'm curious to see the GCC reaction (or inaction) to these developments. Lately I feel they have gotten much less involved in the regional dynamics and are more focused inwards.
It's a waste of resources investing in Levant. The GCC is entirely pro-Israel with the only outliers being the Qataris. The qataris are allied with the Turks. Gaza feels like a distraction after what all has happened since October 7th. The Israelis will have to balance between both the Turks and GCC now that Iran is slowly becoming irrelevant.
 
This year has been disastrous for Iran's strategic posture. Hamas has been dismantled and Hezbollah's leadership has been decapitated. Syria is gone and so has any chance of Iran reaching the Mediterranean. They have some proxies left in Iraq and the Houthis but even they are limited to the outskirts of the region.

This ultimately stems from Russia getting bogged down in Ukraine and being unable to support their allies in the region with equipment/intelligence. It feels like it's only a matter of time before Iran's opponents begin to encroach into Iran proper. Probably starts with the Azeris.

It's temporarily bad for Iran and Russia, the region is within their sphere of influence after all. The Iranians need a proper conventional military that can at least challenge Turkey, particularly an air force. And Russia needs to build up its capabilities vis-a-vis NATO at the higher end. So my guess is they are going to use the Trump era to buy time to arm themselves before getting back into it. So nothing directly before 2030.

In the meantime, I think the US, Europe and Israel will have to deal with the Turkey-led HTS/ISIS combo. Russia and Iran can find opportunities to turn these groups into their own proxies. There's a limit to how much the US and Israel can maintain peace among the Sunni rebels with just money. They will eventually become fat and restless. The average Sunni-joe is not an expert in politics.

I have a different take on the Azeris. The Ukraine war, the fall of Syria, and India's entry into Armenia and the Middle East have made things more peaceful around the Caspian. Even Turkey is going to want a peaceful eastern border while they deal with Syria. With Armenia militarizing very quickly, I don't think the Azeris are going to create new problems with Iran. Certainly not when both sides are seeing a thaw in relations.


Anyway with Iran having doubled its military budget and Russia and China doing their own thing, I'm looking forward to the arms race over the next 10 years. It's going to be legendary.
 
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Turkey is also a huge winner in all of this, perhaps even moreso than Israel. I'm curious to see the GCC reaction (or inaction) to these developments. Lately I feel they have gotten much less involved in the regional dynamics and are more focused inwards.

The GCC is supporting the SDF fighting from Kurdish territory. They are also supporting the rebel actions in the South, like Darra.

But the removal of Assad has become a problem for them. They had normalized relations with Assad over the last few years, and now they are back to square one. I guess they did not want new problems beyond Iran and Yemen.

If they successfully form that corridor with the US to Kurdish territory, I think the creation of the buffer zone should work out for them. For India too, this will provide us much easier access to Europe via Israel.

If the West finds a way to militarily deal with HTS and ISIS as well, this would actually become a big victory for the GCC. They can deal with Yemen after that.
 
Ah ! Assad's been deposed eh ? That's pretty quick by ME standards too. One week & poof , he's gone. Wonder what's in store for the region & its players ?

Let's crystal gaze & (ATTEMPT to) make some predictions (R̶S̶T̶ s̶t̶y̶l̶e̶) , shall we :-

For starters the Syria in the form we knew it is history. It's going to be a fractured & severely contested land from here on. But that's a no brainer. I'd try to see what does Syria rather its constituents hold for both the short & long term .

In the short term Assad's tribe the Alawites have had it . They're going to be the most persecuted sect in Syria & the ME with no fall back options too. Their only protector in the immediate region the Hezbollah is down though not out. I'd expect them or what remains of them to seek shelter in Lebanon mostly , some enclaves in Syria in their strong hold & the rest will try for Turkey.

Ditto for the rest of the minorities there except ones who border countries like Lebanon or Israel with decent populations of their own there like the Druze. They will carve out their own enclaves with their safety guaranteed by Israel & the west i.e the US.

The Sunni areas will by the looks of it be dominated by the ISIS / AQ type militias which means it keeps simmering like a cauldron. That means it continues to be a threat to all its neighbours especially the Shi'as & the Kurds. This also means that the whole region would keep relying on outside powers to stabilize the situation there. Long term - too much of enforced religion & its practises sickens its believers & turns them away from it like we're seeing in Iran & will see in AfPak.

The biggest losers right now are Assad his tribe , loyalists & his backers - Iran which most likely precipitated / helped precipitate the events of 10/7 is down though not out with their neo Sassanid Empire masquerading as a Shi'a enterprise in total shambles. Their proxies be it the Hamas or Hezbollah are severely debilitated with the regime in Syria having collapsed.

I suspect all those groups opposed to the mullahs in Iran will start baring their fangs be it in Iran or outside most notably in Iraq & Lebanon where forces inimical to Iran & its proxies will raise their heads .

Russia is now officially a power in decline. It's just about managing to keep itself afloat what with the war in Ukraine & unable to secure its own interests outside where all regimes associated with it are gradually collapsing or shifting allegiance in order to survive.

Turkey in the short run may appear to be the winner but in the long run will be the biggest loser. The collapse of a country like Syria apart from Iraq previously ( whatever territorial integrity one's seeing today is a a sham in Iraq ) unleashes the Kurds who after enjoying 3 plus decades of quasi freedom in Iraq & now in Syria will be hard to contain as & when these forces start raising the banner of revolt in Turkey.

The regime in Iran is on borrowed time. If there were strong speculations on this before it's official now. When & how it collapses is a matter of debate but collapse it will , not without a - hum toh doobe sanam , saath tumhe bhi le doobenge attitude . A collapse here also encourages the Kurds to strive for freedom in the West /NW / SW of Iran.

Israel is the biggest beneficiary of this entire churn in the region. But they'd not know peace & what's more they know it besides being used to it . Wish our people who take our freedoms & privileges for granted learn something from the Jews in Israel (for in the coming decades especially from mid century onwards we'd be severely tested what with the events in Bangladesh serving as a wake up call eventually spilling over to the NE & the rest of India apart from Paxtan which is on the brink of an implosion ). The latter are prepared to defend it with their very lives.

As usual the US can get away like it always has ( 9/11 was & will be an aberration ) playing God across the world. Timely lesson for everyone who takes the US & its capabilities lightly. Nicely played this one with Israel ( getting it into a CF with Hezbollah ) & Turkey ( long term sucker & loser thanks to Sultan Turdogan's extremely short sighted policies laying the seeds of Turkey's own possible disintegration down the years & if not that the power of leverage with outside powers notably the US ).

I count this one as another feather in the cap of Irish Joe & a parting shot much like his pardon of his son to the establishment in the US for treating him shabbily. They'd appreciate him better once he's gone. Ditto for the Paddy's . They'd know the true worth of Irish Joe decades if not centuries after he's kicked the bucket in true Paddy style.

As far as the GCC , Egypt & Jordan go they were casual by standers right from the beginning with not much at stake here for they didn't stake anything , learning from the past one assumes that all that glitters isn't gold especially in the ME resisting all temptations , though a more mundane explanation could also detail the reasons they weren't too involved nor wanted to be so for they had too much of their own internal problems on the plate , that needed handling.

Trust I've covered all the quarters here.
 
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