Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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Check out the TWR of this with Mk1 and you will agree to what I had written long long back. MK2 will come out to be worst than MK1.
Wasn't this expected from the very beginning? And that the closed coupled canards are expected to reduce the need for an equivalent increase in thrust compared to Mk1. The same story with Gripen E.
A sacrifice was expected in exchange for extra fuel. Anyway, at 50% fuel, the TWR is 1.05 and should give 1 hour on station. Mk1 doesn't do this even with full fuel.
A smart guy will definitely produce better results, no questions about that. Doing well in exams does not mean the person is smart. I have interviewed enough IITians with 9+ CGPA who can’t answer basics of engineering or solve a problem. Again neither I would support the folks who skip their branches nor I would blame them. The opportunity for people to pursue their own field of expertise is extremely limited in India and that is the reason they end up joining high paying IT jobs or move to management sector.
R & D is a quite generic term and not one rule can fit all. I can’t comment about sectors like material science or mechanical engineering. But when it comes to electronics, speed is the key. Whether digital design or analog, both need faster execution with predictable results. For that you need a bunch of smart guys with high level of motivation and good execution plan.
I don’t want to sound rude, but I would choose one smart engineer over ten average guys irrespective of how hard working they are. I manage projects across the globe including India and my opinion is based on first hand experience.
Sir in India whatever DRDO , ISRO and Atomic Energy Department have
Achieved , it is because of Average guys
You can give a million reasons to justify why China achieved all these and another million reasons why we are lagging behind by decades. It does not change a thing !!
I would love to see India excel in every damn field but it’s not going to happen if the whole system does not change. To solve a problem, you first need to acknowledge the it.
Else you can continue to celebrate your list of achievements and by 2030 you might be able to add Tejas MK-1 as well!!
They could have achieved much more if they cared to retain the high performers. I know an extremely smart engineer who started his career at BARC. Got frustrated with the internal politics and moved to US for PhD and now he is a well known scientist with Los Alamos National laboratory. There are thousands of such stories. It’s high time India acknowledges the problem of brain drain and try to solve it.
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Sir , whatever you have written in absolutely true But unfortunately we can
Only reform this system incrementally
And Finances will always be the most important aspect of R and D
So all we can do is increase Salaries and increase Annual outlays for Research
But the internal Language and Caste politics of Any Organization cannot be removed immediately
Brain drain will keep happening
However the Indian Private Sector also Does NOT invest much in internal and domestic R and D
Bottomline considerations and Cutting Costs are their main driving forces
You are right. I blame companies like Wipro and Infosys for killing the R&D culture in India. They are the first ones to benefit from the services model which provides quick return with minimal risk. Now no company is willing to spend on R&D.
In India things are very complex
Govt has to take care of a Million things
So obviously they can spend a limited amount
But at the same time , The increase in Cost of living for Individuals also makes them Seek greener pastures
We are financially lagging behind the Chinese by a decade or more, but technologically, not so much.
In some areas we are ahead, like nuclear technology. And there are some areas where we are behind, like human spaceflight.
One of the biggest reasons why "you" think we are "technologically behind" is because DRDO made a major rule change a decade back, saying they won't talk about a specific piece of technology until it's ready to hit the testing phase, sometimes not even then. So mum's the word.
The difference is in some areas, the Chinese have started testing a lot before us because they have much greater financial might, so are able to start some types of projects long before we can, the biggest reason why they are ahead of us in human spaceflight. For example, the yearly Chinese space budget is equal to our total expenditure on space since ISRO's inception in the 70s.
As a market, China is 20 years ahead, and their overall security budget is 6 to 7 times ours. The fact that we have more or less kept up regardless is good enough.
Also, unlike the Chinese military, our military demands indigenous products to be as good or better than existing Western and Russian systems. For example, the army's major demand for QRSAM was to be superior to all existing western systems on offer, which has been achieved, including a 100 percent kill probablity. The air force is demanding DRDO to make AWACS-India as good or better than Phalcon. Some of the new specifications for new programs are even higher than what the western nations themselves have achieved. For example, the army wants the FRCV to be amphibious and also invisible to the eyes, while carrying a hard-kill APS that does not exist. Let's also not forget about the latest DRDO artillery gun that outshoots any other gun in the world. So DRDO is constantly working with higher specs than what the Chinese military themselves want.
Rather you can say that most systems that the Chinese induct wouldn't even clear paper evaluations in India, never mind going through to the next round. So this talk about them being technologically "ahead" is a non-starter, the Chinese standards are simply lower.
Let the Chinese have Democracy and Human Rights and see how they collapse
In TEN YEARS
Even though they are a Homogeneous society called. HANS
While we have been somehow dragging and pulling ourselves because of Democracy
We cannot get sad over where we stand
Simply because in the last 10 years we have made substantial progress
So we can be optimistic about where we will be in 2030
And above all the US - China rivalry will also help us
I don't think the type of a govt is a problem when it comes to nuclear, space and military technology. Look at Germany post WW1 or Russia during WW2.
Money is the most important aspect, and if you really want to compare, look at what the Chinese had achieved back when they were a $3T economy versus what India has achieved as a $3T economy today. India is already making world beating products.
Not everything has to be done by government. But it can enable the private sector to invest in R&D. At the same time private sector should develop some appetite for risk as well. We can loose billions for people like Mallya and Modi, but can’t pay our top scientists and engineers?? Doesn’t sound very convincing.
Forget about high salary, if government can improve the work culture and enforce accountability in research labs, attrition will be down by at least 50%.
The goal for MWF is 360 degree warning, so yes.
Specwise, almost everything you can think off for Gripen E, the MWF will be either equal or a step ahead, not lower. The project goal itself is to be superior to the Gripen E.
https://www.vayuaerospace.in/article/458/combat-aircraft-programmes-at-ada
The Tejas Mk.II for the Air Force was initially planned to have a higher thrust engine. However, in its new configuration it is no more a light combat aircraft but a Medium Weight Fighter (MWF). This evolution of the MWF began with the IAF projecting a platform to replace the Mirage 2000, Jaguar and MiG-29 in the 2030s. The IAF wanted a multi-role fighter with improved range, endurance, lethality and increased payload carrying capacity. Based on these requirements, configuration optimisation studies were initiated by ADA in November 2016, a configuration with improved performance and increased internal fuel has this evolved. Subsequently, the IAF also indicated their requirement for integrating heavier standoff weapons. The final configuration was agreed to in September 2018 to meet these capabilities.
The Mk.II (MWF) will be state-of-the-art multi role supersonic fighter aircraft with delta wing and close coupled canard, having an enhanced payload capability of 6.5 tons with max all up weight of 17500 kg. The MWF will have 11 hard points and is integrated with advanced avionics system and sensors including an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Integral Unified Electronic Warfare Suite (UEWS), Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS) and Infrared Search & Track (IRST) System. Its range and endurance is enhanced by On-Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS) and Inflight Refuelling Probe (IFRP). The cockpit will have larger size, smart Large Area Display (LAD) and smart Head Up Display (HUD) to provide enhanced situational awareness.
Preliminary design of the MWF is at the final stages of completion and detail design activities are to begin from March 2020. The procurement of raw material and LRUs has been initiated and development activities towards new LRUs initiated. The engineering cockpit simulator of the MWF was on display at Defexpo 2020, with a Large Area Display (LAD), sleek Head Up Display (HUD) and side control stick.
The Tejas Mk.II for the Air Force was initially planned to have a higher thrust engine. However, in its new configuration it is no more a light combat aircraft but a Medium Weight Fighter (MWF). This evolution of the MWF began with the IAF projecting a platform to replace the Mirage 2000, Jaguar and MiG-29 in the 2030s. The IAF wanted a multi-role fighter with improved range, endurance, lethality and increased payload carrying capacity. Based on these requirements, configuration optimisation studies were initiated by ADA in November 2016, a configuration with improved performance and increased internal fuel has this evolved. Subsequently, the IAF also indicated their requirement for integrating heavier standoff weapons. The final configuration was agreed to in September 2018 to meet these capabilities.
The Mk.II (MWF) will be state-of-the-art multi role supersonic fighter aircraft with delta wing and close coupled canard, having an enhanced payload capability of 6.5 tons with max all up weight of 17500 kg. The MWF will have 11 hard points and is integrated with advanced avionics system and sensors including an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Integral Unified Electronic Warfare Suite (UEWS), Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS) and Infrared Search & Track (IRST) System. Its range and endurance is enhanced by On-Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS) and Inflight Refuelling Probe (IFRP). The cockpit will have larger size, smart Large Area Display (LAD) and smart Head Up Display (HUD) to provide enhanced situational awareness.
Preliminary design of the MWF is at the final stages of completion and detail design activities are to begin from March 2020. The procurement of raw material and LRUs has been initiated and development activities towards new LRUs initiated. The engineering cockpit simulator of the MWF was on display at Defexpo 2020, with a Large Area Display (LAD), sleek Head Up Display (HUD) and side control stick.