The Quad (US, Japan, India, Australia Security Dialogue) : Updates and Discussions
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There's nothing on N propulsion mentioned in the NPT but it's the fissile material which is covered there. Hyperpowers like the US could use it to sanction countries like China if it defied the US & supplied such SSNs to Pakistan earlier.
Now it can't.
You need to read the NPT. We've had this discussion earlier. You yourself brought it to my notice when you mentioned Germany as an exception in the way the NPT was implemented.
It was clearly in violation of the NPT clauses but not many nations objected to it including Russia which was directly affected by these actions.
Now it can't.
You need to read the NPT. We've had this discussion earlier. You yourself brought it to my notice when you mentioned Germany as an exception in the way the NPT was implemented.
It was clearly in violation of the NPT clauses but not many nations objected to it including Russia which was directly affected by these actions.
There are loopholes in such security regimes likes NPT/MTCR etc from the get-go. US/Russia both have breached it repeatedly at will by claiming the exception. For example US did supply ICBMs (submarine launched SLBMs) despite security restrictions. Russia not only supplied SSNs but also actively helped in designing our own boats. France is helping Brazil. US UK helping Australia. China helping Pakistan in missile proliferation. Everything is possible if intent is there.
This ideally would have to be under IAEA supervision. The contours of the deal are still unclear. We don't know who'd be supplying the enriched uranium just as we don't know the percentage of enrichment or where is it going to be reprocessed.
My guess is the UK and HEU to the UK standard for their reactors. They will be responsible for reprocessing. It's early days, we will know more at the end of the initial 18 month review.
Yeah, in 50 years, not in 10.
AUKUS is extremely destabilising, and not just Pakistan, the entire situation in general. It's not just about the transfer of SSN, but it's also about an alliance of outside powers slowly entering the regional structure.
At this time, you can say that the countries in the region need the US. But once the US is no longer necessary, will the US leave? Obviously, no. But the US is slowly inviting other powers in. The US understands it cannot do it by itself. After UK, Canada could step in, with their own American-supplied SSNs. Then someday, Europe.
You can think of AUKUS as America's plan B, where they have given themselves the option to abandon other Asian allies for their own interests.
Hell, even Japan does not like AUKUS.
India and Japan are reacting to AUKUS by creating their own bilateral and trilateral agreements. So there is one trilateral agreement planned with Vietnam in the long run. There's another with Australia. Japan is working independently with Australia and France through two bilateral agreements, apart from one with India. And India has one with Indonesia. There is one agreement between India, Japan and Russia too, so the Russians don't feel left out. And there's one with Italy too, and the US. More such trilateral agreements are coming up headed by India and Japan. So we are working on an independent system outside the ambits of QUAD too.
You can think of AUKUS as America's plan B, where they have given themselves the option to abandon other Asian allies for their own interests.
I dont think so
AUKUS looks like a " Cousin Alliance "
After all UK and US , And , UK and Australia ,still consider themselves as Family
Secondly if China threatens Australia with its Navy , How can Japan and India come to its Aid
Only US can do so and Since Royal
Navy has Nothing much to do in Europe , they can also provide Security to Australia
In QUAD , Australia is the Weakest link
No, it's more loose but still military alliance between US, Australia and New Zealand. One specific condition which is not acceptable to Newzealand is placement of nuclear weapons in Newzealand's land or territorial waters.
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For the Americans, Australia is their strongest ally in the Indo-Pacific.
As for the QUAD, India is the weakest link, 'cause we are not committing, followed by Japan with their sissy constitution.
Quad to build ties with other blocs to counter Chinese influence
Exclusive |Foreign Ministers from Australia, Japan, India and the US will canvass how the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue can work in concert with other regional blocs as they seek to check Chinese influence in the Indo-Pacific.While expanding the Quad is not on the agenda for Friday’s meeting in Melbourne, members want to begin forging relationships with other regional groupings such as the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN).
Foreign Minister Marise Payne and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken will meet face to face in Melbourne on Friday. AP
Federal government sources said the attendance of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken at the Quad meeting would send a powerful sign that despite the tensions between Russia and Ukraine, America was not distracted by it and could focus on multiple issues at once.
It would show that Indo-Pacific was still important to America after the Trump era had sowed doubts on its commitment.
“We are a vital network of liberal democracies committed to practical co-operation, including to support a regional recovery and to ensure all Indo-Pacific nations, large and small, are able to make their own strategic decisions, free from coercion,” Foreign Minister Marise Payne said.
Mr Blinken, who arrives in Australia on Wednesday, and the other Quad foreign ministers will also hold a joint meeting with Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
The Quad meeting comes just days after Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin held a summit, with Mr Xi backing Moscow’s grievances over Ukraine and the two leaders claiming Australia’s acquisition of nuclear submarines would fuel an arms race.
Cabinet’s national security committee discussed the Ukraine crisis on Monday, with Mr Morrison urging Russia to remain engaged in dialogue with Western countries to defuse tensions.
“Any breach of Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty is not a mark of peace, it is a mark of those who would seek to take sovereignty from others,” the PM said.
As well as the Quad meeting, Senator Payne will hold bilateral meetings with Mr Blinken, Japanese Foreign Minister Hayashi Yoshimasa and Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, who is recovering from a recent bout of COVID-19.
The visiting ministers will hold bilateral meetings with each other, and Mr Blinken also plans to speak to students and technology sector leaders.
“We intend to demonstrate that our partnerships deliver, and they deliver practical and real benefits to our own peoples and to the peoples of the region,” US State Department Assistant Secretary Daniel Kritenbrink said on the weekend.
Ministers will discuss their drive to provide coronavirus vaccines to the region, funding infrastructure in developing nations, mitigating climate change, countering disinformation, disaster relief, and cyber and critical technology.
With Friday’s meeting the fourth time Quad foreign ministers have met and the third face-to-face summit since 2019, ministers are expected to explore how the body can engage with other countries and groupings in the region, such as ASEAN and the Pacific Islands Forum.
However, there is little appetite to expand the Quad beyond the four core members, despite speculation in the past the Indo-Pacific’s other major democracies, Indonesia and South Korea, could join.
While Beijing has denounced the Quad as an anti-China bloc, a government source said the body had come to be seen positively by the region.
Former senior Australian diplomat Richard Maude, who helped revive the Quad, said Quad members wanted to show their commitment to south-east Asia and assuage concerns about growing US-China tensions and ASEAN’s relevance in this era of major power competition.
“To do this they need to have a political agenda that responds to ASEAN’s priorities,” said Mr Maude, who is now the Asia Society Australia’s executive director of policy.
Mr Maude agreed it was significant Mr Blinken would travel to Australia despite the crisis in Europe.
“The Quad meeting is being held at a time when there is a quite strong sense of an accelerating challenge from China and Russia to the global order the Quad countries want to reinforce,” he said.
The foreign ministers’ deliberations will feed into the next Quad leaders’ summit, touted to be hosted by Japan in May.
Quad to build ties with other blocs to counter Chinese influence
Foreign Minister Marise Payne will host counterparts from the US, Japan and India in Melbourne on Friday.