Twin-Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF)

So if the front lift on Vicky malfunctions, it's gonna be a problem. As for IAC-1, if SH can operate in that manner, then so can Rafale-M.
I understood Dassault's solution to make the Rafale fit in the Viki's lift!
I thought it was to gain thickness on each side, but I made a paper representation of the lift and the Rafale, to scale, in order to place the Rafale at an angle in the lift and there the wingtip pylons are too long and hinder this solution. But if these pylons are removed, the Rafale will fit even in the lift of the Viki.
 
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So if the front lift on Vicky malfunctions, it's gonna be a problem. As for IAC-1, if SH can operate in that manner, then so can Rafale-M.
Rafale can't because it does not have folding wings. IAC-1 lifts are on the sides and allow for overhang of the rear fuselage of an aircraft but width is only 10m.
One of the solutions possible for Rafale is to park it diagonally but for that you will need to remove wingtip rails for every moment from lift.
 
EPE engine is still on drawing board yet waiting for funds.

Think it's available.. GE aviation website had it.
It's not about taking off. It's about fitting the jets on the elevators. Neither SH nor Rafale can be operated from Vikramaditya. And only SH can be operated from Vikrant, with some difficulty. Even with folded wings, the SH can't operate from Vikramaditya. Either the the elevators have to be enlarged or the wings have to be folded, even more so for the SH. Both will come with significant problems. This is a very elementary problem.

Which is why the best decision is to go for the TEDBF only since it's been designed from the outset to fit on both carriers. Plus it will be CATOBAR capable.

It's NOT designed to be cartobar capable for now. Later they have plans.

I specifically asked HVT in Twitter.
 
I understood Dassault's solution to make the Rafale fit in the Viki's lift!
I thought it was to gain thickness on each side, but I made a paper representation of the lift and the Rafale, to scale, in order to place the Rafale at an angle in the lift and there the wingtip pylons are too long and hinder this solution. But if these pylons are removed, the Rafale will fit even in the lift of the Viki.

Rafale can't because it does not have folding wings. IAC-1 lifts are on the sides and allow for overhang of the rear fuselage of an aircraft but width is only 10m.
One of the solutions possible for Rafale is to park it diagonally but for that you will need to remove wingtip rails for every moment from lift.

Right, the lift itself is just 10m wide, so it won't go through anyway.
 
Rafale can't because it does not have folding wings. IAC-1 lifts are on the sides and allow for overhang of the rear fuselage of an aircraft but width is only 10m.
One of the solutions possible for Rafale is to park it diagonally but for that you will need to remove wingtip rails for every moment from lift.
Can Rafale operate from queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier? Rumours are that HMS Prince of Wales carrier is up for sale or lease for india and we might opt for it. British are continuously buzzing india on this and could be linked to Jet engine development by Rolls Royce...
 
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Sir you have flown jets from carrier, right?

Is it really much harder than taking off and landing on an air-base?
Do not even compare the two. Deck operations are far far more demanding than shore based operations. Even if there are no flight operations, the deck is a very busy place and needs utmost attention as the space is very restricted.
Can Rafale operate from queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier? Rumours are that HMS Prince of Wales carrier is up for sale or lease for india and we might opt for it. British are continuously buzzing india on this and could be linked to Jet engine development by Rolls Royce...
Rafale should be able to go from QE class as the deck run available is much longer but QE class as on date do not have arrestor wires and angled deck for either STOBAR or CATOBAR operations. It will need to be modified. This class is designed for V/STOL aircraft.
 
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Do not even compare the two. Deck operations are far far more demanding than shore based operations. Even if there are no flight operations, the deck is a very busy place and needs utmost attention as the space is very restricted.

Rafale should be able to go from QE class as the deck run available is much longer but QE class as on date do not have arrestor wires and angled deck for either STOBAR or CATOBAR operations. It will need to be modified. This class is designed for V/STOL aircraft.
Sir, do we have any plan to purchase QE class design? The virat, though she is 50+ years old having better body while comparing with other indian ships, you dont find much rust on her body.
 
our own IAC-1 is a better design. Why pay money to UK when we can use that money within India to pay our own dockyards.
How ours is better? QE is a 65kT weight class AC. And the ship's metallurgy, QE will outclass IAC on metallurgy, automation, EW i guess.
 
we now make similar grade steel in India and just by adding another 30m to the IAC-1, it will become QE class.
Sir with all respect i want to ask few things.
The QE's single generator is generating 36 MW, it has two such systems. And when comes to automation QE required just above 600(asper wiki ), IAC does require 1400+. Then how can we said that IAC is on par with QE.
Lastly, IAC is under construction since 2009, its expected to finish by mid of 2021. With QE technical assistance, we can construct IAC2 with in five year ( QE finished with in 5 years)
 
Sir with all respect i want to ask few things.
The QE's single generator is generating 36 MW, it has two such systems. And when comes to automation QE required just above 600(asper wiki ), IAC does require 1400+. Then how can we said that IAC is on par with QE.
Lastly, IAC is under construction since 2009, its expected to finish by mid of 2021. With QE technical assistance, we can construct IAC2 with in five year ( QE finished with in 5 years)
QE uses all electric propulsion. IN is also moving in that direction. The personal required for operating IAC-1 are nearly same as QE. You have not added the aircrew to the staff of QE.
IAC-1 got delayed for some very strange reasons and one of them was the destruction of main shafts due to road accident.
 
Can Rafale operate from queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier?
The CVF class was designed for the F-35. You can fly aircraft like the Harrier or F-35, V-22 Osprey, and helicopters, but that's about all. It does not have arresting wires so it can't be used for STOBAR.

And don't expect to just modify the aircraft carrier to turn it into a STOBAR or CATOBAR. The British admiralty looked at it at one point where the delays and problems with the F-35 made them think it could be a good idea to change the ship to CATOBAR configuration and get F/A-18 or Rafale as an interim solution, then F-35C instead of B once they're actually ready, and the conclusion was that converting the ship would cost more than building a brand new one from scratch.
 
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The CVF class was designed for the F-35. You can fly aircraft like the Harrier or F-35, V-22 Osprey, and helicopters, but that's about all. It does not have arresting wires so it can't be used for STOBAR.

And don't expect to just modify the aircraft carrier to turn it into a STOBAR or CATOBAR. The British admiralty looked at it at one point where the delays and problems with the F-35 made them think it could be a good idea to change the ship to CATOBAR configuration and get F/A-18 or Rafale as an interim solution, then F-35C instead of B once they're actually ready, and the conclusion was that converting the ship would cost more than building a brand new one from scratch.
This article states about adding EMALS and arrester cables. EMALS alone will cost a huge amount and too much of modifications. So yes it will cost as much as a new queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier due to cost of EMALS but adding arrestor cables and ski jump should be simple and relatively cheaper....
 
Can Rafale operate from queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier? Rumours are that HMS Prince of Wales carrier is up for sale or lease for india and we might opt for it. British are continuously buzzing india on this and could be linked to Jet engine development by Rolls Royce...
Rumour is catching up 😆

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We can't afford to buy the QE. We can't even afford to starting building an equivalent ship even 5 years down the line irrespective of GDP growth, so no point discussing it.

Hell, we are so broke that we haven't even made the base that can hold our second carrier, so we are forced to lease a civilian shipyard in order to keep the ship in.