Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Meanwhile - a lot of NATO tankers over Poland and surrounding areas. CAPS in air. Deterrence or mere prudence?
More ELINT COMINT & SIGINT now that Rivet Joints & Global Hawks can't fly over Ukraine else they'd be rivetted up the Ukrainian & US arses. Plus some reassurance to E European NATO partners.

Neither sides are going to cross each other's red lines.

Good old fashioned noora kushti.
 
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Russia has made a Simple Calculation.

It is that What if they do nothing Now and Let Ukraine Join NATO.

And then Ukraine also acquires more Conventional weaponry including long range Missiles

Look at Ukraine Russia Border
And the Seas adjacent to Ukraine and Russia

Once NATO gets a foot hold in Ukraine , Russia gets cut off from its Southern Territories

Hence this war is absolutely Necessary

Let NATO try to establish a Base in Ukraine after this war

Once Ukraine is levelled ,it will forget about NATO

Russia tried for many years to persuade both NATO And Ukraine to stop their expansion

But NATO loves to needle Russia
Ukraine was always the "bali ka bakra".

NATO will actually be happy now. I am waiting for potential polls in Finland and Sweden about joining NATO now.
 
I don't know the last time this happened but I keep hearing Su-30s in regular intervals. Its 12:30 AM. Regular night CAPs are not rare but why tf are they buzzing a sleeping city?

Anyways,
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Some things to ponder upon:
1. LCH order nowhere to be seen. Heavy attack heli not even on the horizon.
2. ATAGS is being sabotaged/delayed, while DHANUSH production is not being ramped up. AMAGS to bhul hi jao.
3. Troop carriers - IMRH not before 2026, C-17 capped at 11, rest ILs/Ans too old.
4. No idea why pralay/pranash haven't been inducted yet.
5. Nirbhay nowhere to be seen, Brahmos after 20 years is only now reaching 600km range. Older versions won't be upgraded.

We are *censored*ed.
1) as on today LCH is just an empty helicopter with primitive weaponry, why would military place an order for such platform?for recon operations?
Yeas we should have place ordered more Apaches, we need to take down PA tanks & self propelled Howitzers, 28 number of Apaches aren't enough even for PA. Forget about china. Don't know which 🤡 in mod is taking all these stupid decision of going minimalist number.
2) ATAGS is failed user trials, u want army to procure new weapon which failed user trials? Blame domest weapon lobby &DRDO for not inducting ATHOS.
3)blame babugiris for c17 case. Boeing gave repeated warnings about production line closure. We took our time to place follow on orders.IL76 were vintage while we ordering c17, failed to see IL76 replacement.
4) It lack range what IA is desired for. When they have fund crunc,how do you expect them to order a weapon which is not meeting their range requirements?
5) Nirbhay is a failed system,many in this forum & India are incapable to accept this fact.

Lastly but not least, biggest culprit here no one except our incapable, short sighted GOI. Despite of being the tax king & the 5th largest economy they are spending peanuts as defence spending. What stopping them from spending 2-2.5 percentage of GDP on defence? Nimmy aunty evn stop mentioning defence spending in her budget speech for ages.PM modi addresses nation soon after China killed our soldiers, he spoke about YOGA day celebration, he went for election rallies soon after feb27 incident. I don't wanna tell anything about MMS & Antony of UPA. These all are showing how serious these guys are on our defence preparedness.
 
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They are not there to fight. Its a part of Putin's brinkmanship. Any meaningful Naval action will need a tumble with this Russian task force. That will bring US into a shooting war with Russia.

It could possibly be that or it could be that they are there to stop NATO ships from entering Aegean and into BlackSea. All it takes is a fidgety Russian captain to make a miscalculation and things will kick off.
30 years after the USSR, US still doesn't want a fight with the Russians. Its too big of a psychological thing for them.


Feb 2019 US forces in Syria killed 200+ Russian "mercenaries," their tanks and armored vehicles . Funny thing is of course Putin denied these were Russian regulars but the background of the killed actually served in Russian military. It was a slaughter the way they were killed. US waited for them ad when they were in the kill box the raised the US flag and arty the hell out of them. Apache's had a go at them too.

In other news Putin has a major buildup of armour and supporting elements on the Polish border.

Seeing how they fight against an army that is less capable than Iraq was in 1991 Desert Storm tells me Russian's would get their arses kicked severely if US got suckered into a military confrontation.

Russian's are doing the vast majority of fighting (ground forces) during the day which tells me they lack night vison equipment. It also seems Russia doesn't have enough cruise missiles or mission capable aircraft to sustain a prolong air campaign the way US did in Desert Storm. If US ground forces would have done what the Russians are doing and went into Iraq and Kuwait on day one of the war US would have suffered a crap load of casualties the way Russian ground forces are suffering right now. It won't change the outcome for Russia but they could have done what the US did in 1991 and bombed Ukraine for days or weeks before sending in their ground forces severely demoralizing Ukrainian military.

Russian military in Ukraine wouldn't know what hit them if US got involved and unfortunately it looks like we'll probably find out because this war will likely not stay contained in Ukraine.
 
Soviet era SU-27... Might as well be using Cessnas.

Can't blame the pilot he is basically flying a blind coffin.

If US gets involved , then it is a Nuclear War for Sure

This conventional war right now including the ground war is a clear message for the NATO that Russia is serious. And all this is Not a Joke

For too long US and Ukraine have been toying with Russia

If US wants to fight Russia , then it must be prepared to sacrifice its European allies
 

It's a real bloody pity Luttwak & Mearshimer don't get the audience they deserve while Kissinger loyalists & Cold War warriors dominate Washington - both primed to divert attention to Russia away from China & when the attention subsides as it did some time back to argue for dividing the world into a bi polar sphere between US & China.

All this when the US wasn't playing Sheriff in Islamic countries where for the most part of 2 decades it's attention was focused on. No wonder China fancies it's chances. They've got more than their share of lucky breaks since 1949 when due to one reason or another they were dealt winning cards when they were down & out by either one of the cold War players. The trend continues.
 

It's a real bloody pity Luttwak & Mearshimer don't get the audience they deserve while Kissinger loyalists & Cold War warriors dominate Washington - both primed to divert attention to Russia away from China & when the attention subsides as it did some time back to argue for dividing the world into a bi polar sphere between US & China.

All this when the US wasn't playing Sheriff in Islamic countries where for the most part of 2 decades it's attention was focused on. No wonder China fancies it's chances. They've got more than their share of lucky breaks since 1949 when due to one reason or another they were dealt winning cards when they were down & out by either one of the cold War players. The trend continues.

US is responsible for this whole tragedy

But I still don't understand why Ukrainians are so hell bent on joining NATO and confronting
Russia

What did they really hope to achieve , Russia never threatened Ukraine before the Crimean war , that too was Ukrainian provocation
 
It could possibly be that or it could be that they are there to stop NATO ships from entering Aegean and into BlackSea. All it takes is a fidgety Russian captain to make a miscalculation and things will kick off.



Feb 2019 US forces in Syria killed 200+ Russian "mercenaries," their tanks and armored vehicles . Funny thing is of course Putin denied these were Russian regulars but the background of the killed actually served in Russian military. It was a slaughter the way they were killed. US waited for them ad when they were in the kill box the raised the US flag and arty the hell out of them. Apache's had a go at them too.



Seeing how they fight against an army that is less capable than Iraq was in 1991 Desert Storm tells me Russian's would get their arses kicked severely if US got suckered into a military confrontation.

Russian's are doing the vast majority of fighting (ground forces) during the day which tells me they lack night vison equipment. It also seems Russia doesn't have enough cruise missiles or mission capable aircraft to sustain a prolong air campaign the way US did in Desert Storm. If US ground forces would have done what the Russians are doing and went into Iraq and Kuwait on day one of the war US would have suffered a crap load of casualties the way Russian ground forces are suffering right now. It won't change the outcome for Russia but they could have done what the US did in 1991 and bombed Ukraine for days or weeks before sending in their ground forces severely demoralizing Ukrainian military.

Russian military in Ukraine wouldn't know what hit them if US got involved and unfortunately it looks like we'll probably find out because this war will likely not stay contained in Ukraine.
For an army which couldn't handle a bunch of goat *censored*ers armed with 20th century weapons , you certainly yap a lot & before you bring up - Russians got their *censored* whooped too, they pulled out like true professionals in an orderly manner & the regime they left behind survived for 3 full years collapsing only when the USSR did with the successor state Russia going bankrupt pulling the plug on their vassals in Afghanistan.

Compare that to how you withdrew & the mess you left behind particularly those arms which we'd have to deal with now.

Man, how the hell did you bunch of certified inbred rednecks build up such a materially great country is beyond me!!
 
Feb 2019 US forces in Syria killed 200+ Russian "mercenaries," their tanks and armored vehicles . Funny thing is of course Putin denied these were Russian regulars but the background of the killed actually served in Russian military. It was a slaughter the way they were killed. US waited for them ad when they were in the kill box the raised the US flag and arty the hell out of them. Apache's had a go at them too.
And they paid you back with interest by arming the Taliban in Afghanistan. What did that lead to? BTW the Russians are still in Syria. Are the US troops present in Afghanistan?
 
Russian military in Ukraine wouldn't know what hit them if US got involved and unfortunately it looks like we'll probably find out because this war will likely not stay contained in Ukraine.
Every time you feel a sudden rush of blood to your head & feel charged remember it's ADHD. Remember to suck on a pacifier. No it's not meant for your well being. It's just so we don't read posts like these which prompt us to donate our eyes & brain which you can't as your ineligible.
 
They are not there to fight. Its a part of Putin's brinkmanship. Any meaningful Naval action will need a tumble with this Russian task force. That will bring US into a shooting war with Russia.

30 years after the USSR, US still doesn't want a fight with the Russians. Its too big of a psychological thing for them.

In other news Putin has a major buildup of armour and supporting elements on the Polish border.

The guy you are speaking to thought NATO will get a 2-3 day heads up before Russia invades, whereas Blinken wasn't sure when Russia would invade just a few hours before the invasion began. And he also said NATO will continue flying over Ukraine during a war, hell, they are now over Poland instead.

Anyway there's no need for the US to fight Russia. The Americans have successfully destabilised Europe, giving them more political importance, while also giving them the excuse needed to sanction Russia.
 
Meanwhile - a lot of NATO tankers over Poland and surrounding areas. CAPS in air. Deterrence or mere prudence?

They will not want things spilling over to their side. Things happen during war. Plus there's a lot of civilian air traffic across the border that needs protection.
 
US is responsible for this whole tragedy

But I still don't understand why Ukrainians are so hell bent on joining NATO and confronting
Russia

What did they really hope to achieve , Russia never threatened Ukraine before the Crimean war , that too was Ukrainian provocation
Oh please you're such a keyboard fascist. Did you have your head up your a $$ whe Puting gave his speech? Because if you did you missed the part where he pretty much said Ukraine is part of Russia.

Vladimir Putin’s angry and rambling hour-long potted history of Ukraine’s failings on Monday night, culminating in a commitment to recognise the self-proclaimed republics in Donetsk and Luhansk, left western diplomats scratching their heads and wondering whether they had been made redundant.

The Russian president not only said he would recognise Russian-controlled territory in Ukraine, rendering eight years of negotiations over their future pointless, but he also signalled that Russia could not tolerate an independent Ukraine on its borders. Nato was hardly mentioned. His target at one point seemed to be the Bolsheviks, for relinquishing land to the nationalists.

The lecture was a far cry from a statement from Emmanuel Macron’s office 24 hours earlier saying the French and Russian leaders had “made firm commitments to carry out all useful actions to avoid escalation, reduce risks and preserve peace”.

“Ukraine is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space,” Putin said. “These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties.”

Much of what was said was a rehash of an article he wrote last summer, but it has become clear this ideology is now guiding his actions and he needs to be taken literally and seriously.

Spare me your BS excuses. You're supporting a fascist and you're trying hard to find an excuse to justify his actions with excuses that are BS. Putin's mask came off in his speech.

When China and Pakistan decide to take land that India claims you better hope world leaders don't have your moronic thinking and blame you (India) for the conflict.
 
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I don't know the last time this happened but I keep hearing Su-30s in regular intervals. Its 12:30 AM. Regular night CAPs are not rare but why tf are they buzzing a sleeping city?

Anyways,
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Some things to ponder upon:
1. LCH order nowhere to be seen. Heavy attack heli not even on the horizon.
2. ATAGS is being sabotaged/delayed, while DHANUSH production is not being ramped up. AMAGS to bhul hi jao.
3. Troop carriers - IMRH not before 2026, C-17 capped at 11, rest ILs/Ans too old.
4. No idea why pralay/pranash haven't been inducted yet.
5. Nirbhay nowhere to be seen, Brahmos after 20 years is only now reaching 600km range. Older versions won't be upgraded.

We are *censored*ed.

What we need to fight China in Ladakh, we have 'em.

Amongst big ticket stuff, we basically lacked new fighters, SAMs, artillery and light helicopters. Now only the light helicopter component is left, although it is in production. LCH is also in production, the first helicopter was delivered to the IAF last year.
 
The guy you are speaking to thought NATO will get a 2-3 day heads up before Russia invades, whereas Blinken wasn't sure when Russia would invade just a few hours before the invasion began. And he also said NATO will continue flying over Ukraine during a war, hell, they are now over Poland instead.

Um... Russia forces started leaving their barracks and armored vehicles their staging areas a few days ago you dope.

Russian tanks move closer to Ukraine border​

Feb 20, 2022 4:08 PM EST

When they started moving that was the sign invasion was coming and it would take 2-3 days before attack begins and I was right, Boooiiii!

US intel was actually spot on which was surprising even got the "false flag" right with BS report of mass graves.

Anyway there's no need for the US to fight Russia. The Americans have successfully destabilised Europe, giving them more political importance, while also giving them the excuse needed to sanction Russia.

Were you wearing a tin foil hat when you posted this?

Lets read again how right I was...

Oy vey. Russia can send 200k soldiers near Ukraine but until they are staged couple miles from UK border US and west should just chill.

I'm pretty sure US/Europe and Ukraine will have at least 2-3 days heads up when Russian tanks and hundreds of other armored vehicles start staging from their parking spots to couple miles from Ukraine border.

Oh look here's more on same page..
Majority of Russian armor is 125-200 miles from Ukraine border. Once the order is given they will stage 40-50 miles which will be seen by US/NATO/EU ISR and whatever Ukraine has. Seeing hundreds of Russian armor moving closer to Ukraine will be obviously seen as an imminent invasion. So from their parking spots to staging area its going to take at least 2 days if they want to go in with overwhelming force

You're the dope that said 12 hours or less once they leave their staging area.

Also about the ISR aircraft the transponders have been turned off so who knows. We're likely flying stealth recon aircraft but yeah Rivet-joint aircraft are likely not flying but I could be wrong. This was a prediction of trying to get into the minds of US military leadership which is impossible to do.
 
Um... Russia forces started leaving their barracks and armored vehicles their staging areas a few days ago you dope.

Russian tanks move closer to Ukraine border​

Feb 20, 2022 4:08 PM EST

When they started moving that was the sign invasion was coming and it would take 2-3 days before attack begins and I was right, Boooiiii!

US intel was actually spot on which was surprising even got the "false flag" right with BS report of mass graves.

Leaving their barracks isn't the same an an invasion, or Blinken would have said it himself.

We were talking about an invasion, not parallel parking next to the border line.

You're the dope that said 12 hours or less once they leave their staging area.

Yes. Not 2-3 days.

Also about the ISR aircraft the transponders have been turned off so who knows. We're likely flying stealth recon aircraft but yeah Rivet-joint aircraft are likely not flying but I could be wrong. This was a prediction of trying to get into the minds of US military leadership which is impossible to do.

Once hostilities begin, you are either in it or you're not. If you're not, then you really are not.
 
Leaving their barracks isn't the same an an invasion, or Blinken would have said it himself.

We were talking about an invasion, not parallel parking next to the border line.

Lol. Salty that I was right? The moment Russian forces left their staging area of 150-200 miles from Ukraine border to move closer that was the sign an invasion was imminent. That was when the order was given that they were going in but they had to stage their mechanize armor into attack position which was going to take 2-3 days. Even US intel knew this.

U.S. has intel that Russian commanders have orders to proceed with Ukraine invasion​

BY DAVID MARTIN, MELISSA QUINN

UPDATED ON: FEBRUARY 20, 2022 / 10:17 PM / CBS NEWS
Washington — The U.S. has intelligence that Russian commanders have received orders to proceed with an invasion of Ukraine, with commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sectors of the battlefield, a U.S. official told CBS News.

Yes. Not 2-3 days.



Once hostilities begin, you are either in it or you're not. If you're not, then you really are not.

It took 2-3 days because you don't invade from 150-200 miles from the border. :rolleyes:

Once your forces are in attack position you go in any delay brings the possibility of being attacked when you're at your most vulnerable.