Ukraine - Russia Conflict

BUT what about QUAD

USA also wants to Contain China

And for that India is necessary
After afghanistan & ukraine you still believe US will be of help ? They just only want to make money and will just offer moral & diplomatic (sic) support which we can do without for all practical purpose.

Its high time we started putting more emphasis on on our ICBM's for a credible deterrent against china.
 
Lol. Exactly how did NATO flex its muscles when it has no muscles? Were the Baltic NATO states home to squadrons of US and other NATO nations fighters? No! Troops? No! US wanted Russia to invade Ukraine so Putin listen to the US? You know how stupid that sounds?


At least they are hitting back
You dint answer the question why russia attacked now but not earlier? Russia was having talks with ukraine & west for years on minsk treaty but US was just buying time and peddling nonsense.

Entire US plan all along is to draw russia into a situation like afghanistan and bog them down. A plan where ukraine is the sacrificial lamb at the grand altar of US self interest.
 
This article should never have been there a few days ago. But it shows two aspects less visible until now of the passage in a block world.

- the stopping of the exchange of identification information in this case concerning the ships which is a problem in itself and its corollary the stopping of the follow-up of these ships.

- the stopping of the respect of the procedures allowing the exchange of goods and in particular the passage to the customs (whose preliminary is a tracking) and especially the insurance.


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Copy of a message sent today to BFM radio about the lack of depth of their analysis regarding the invasion of Ukraine:



Hello,



I was listening this morning to the analysis concerning the invasion of Ukraine and I am surprised to see how lacking in depth it is. There is not much effort left to take into account all the signs that Russia has sent.

No sanctions will have any impact. Putin is waiting for these sanctions, he even wants them. He wants to disconnect the Russian economy from Western financial flows. He just needs an alibi. He does not need SWIFT.

He also wants to disconnect Russia from the global data flows. He is ready, your computer specialist mentioned this possibility already this morning.

Finally, he wants to disconnect Russia from the flow of raw materials.

He thinks he can compensate for this with China and India.

If you follow my thinking, this means that all Western economies are exposed, not only Europe. Also the US and in particular GAFAM.

Russia is much less isolated than it seems. It could count on the industrial and technological capacity of China of course, but we can add to this a part of the Latin American countries, Algeria and a certain number of other countries which would prefer to exchange in a different normative framework than the US.

Conversely, bstaying in the middle of both block India could be the great beneficiary of this new world.

The block economy has begun, why not talk about it so that everyone can make anticipations in the right direction?

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We have a policy of non-interference and we are sticking by it. This comes with various benefits. It has not helped our security situation, but it has helped our miliary, economic and diplomatic situations.
 
After afghanistan & ukraine you still believe US will be of help ? They just only want to make money and will just offer moral & diplomatic (sic) support which we can do without for all practical purpose.

Its high time we started putting more emphasis on on our ICBM's for a credible deterrent against china.
Nobody gonna help you if he is so certain about getting hurt. If USA entered in to areana with arms against, one should call Mr POTUS idiot#1.

USA may win war against Russia, but US will damaged beyond repair, why would some one take that risk? Instead USA can play the time tested strategy of enemy of enemy is my friend. I dont want india to lose that opertunity, squeeze as many as possible from US and get bigger.
 
You should think about the timeframe. The only deals pending with Russia are upgrade deals and a possible follow-on contract to the S-400. None of these will trigger CAATSA. Only Su-57 can potentially trigger CAATSA, if the US wants it to, and at least I'm not expecting a signature until 2028-29 and deliveries beginning from 2032-33. By then, LCA Mk1A would have long finished production, Mk2 would be half way through, TEDBF will be beginning production and AMCA would have moved on to a new engine. All the necessary engine contracts would have finished by then already.

Anyway CAATSA isn't for India, it's for all the scrubs who depend on imports, particularly the Arabs and SE Asians.



We will not need the US by then. By 2032-33, we will be amongst the richest countries around in terms of GDP. Enough to become our own side.
If I am not wrong TEDBF,AMCA are designing around GE engine. So at this stage you cannot shift to another engine unless u managed a similar spec engine with same dimensions.

I Don't bet on India will be doing xyz things in XYX year, our history is like that.
Many people may despise Mr Panag, but what he said is true in this article below. India's approach is never gonna change.

 
If I am not wrong TEDBF,AMCA are designing around GE engine. So at this stage you cannot shift to another engine unless u managed a similar spec engine with same dimensions.

Like I said, it won't matter because CAATSA only attacks future deals, not past deals. We can buy as many F414s we want even with CAATSA.

I Don't bet on India will be doing xyz things in XYX year, our history is like that.
Many people may despise Mr Panag, but what he said is true in this article below. India's approach is never gonna change.


China bought time with money, that's all.
 
Poor Ukranians, this what they haave done in favour of US in past. In return,they did get nothing from USA.

 
I don't know the last time this happened but I keep hearing Su-30s in regular intervals. Its 12:30 AM. Regular night CAPs are not rare but why tf are they buzzing a sleeping city?

Anyways,
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Some things to ponder upon:
1. LCH order nowhere to be seen. Heavy attack heli not even on the horizon.
2. ATAGS is being sabotaged/delayed, while DHANUSH production is not being ramped up. AMAGS to bhul hi jao.
3. Troop carriers - IMRH not before 2026, C-17 capped at 11, rest ILs/Ans too old.
4. No idea why pralay/pranash haven't been inducted yet.
5. Nirbhay nowhere to be seen, Brahmos after 20 years is only now reaching 600km range. Older versions won't be upgraded.

We are *censored*ed.
 

When everyone is into the game how can Clutterji be left behind ? Thankfully it's just 20 min which at 2x speed is half the time .
 
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His eyes literally popped out of his sockets, his ears opened up , he was all alert & was so intrigued by the question he almost fell over the dozens of booms surrounding him .

That's the power of an Indian journalist questioning in his inimitable accent.
 

Unusual Russian Navy Concentration Seen In Eastern Mediterranean

As the world watches Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there is also a significant and purposeful Russian Navy presence in the Mediterranean. This is part of the same big picture. Today they have been observed sailing close together in an unusual formation.

H I Sutton 24 Feb 2022
Russia has reinforced its naval presence in the Mediterranean, much more than usual. This can be seen as an outer defense layer for naval operations in the Black Sea, off Ukraine. In particular, to deter NATO involvement, especially from the US and French aircraft carriers.

At the same time that Russian Navy units supported the invasion of Ukraine, their major warships in the Mediterranean came together. Both of the Slava class cruisers presently there, plus escorts and support ships, were sailing in close formation. They appeared to be sailing to Tartus in Syria where Russia has a base.

The unusual formation is clearly visible in European Space Agency’s (ESA) satellite imagery. An image, taken by the Sentinel 2 satellite at 08:40 UTC today, shows 16 ships. At the exact same time information was flooding in about the opening attacks in the Ukraine invasion.

The formation is only 0.9 miles (1.5 km) across and 1.7 miles (2.7 km) long, meaning that all ships are within visual sight of each other. The ships were already within Syrian territorial waters and heading directly for the port of Tartus. This is Russia’s only overseas naval base. Here the vessels are operating under significant air cover and an air-defense umbrella from Russian bases in Syria.

The closeness of the formation, particularly with two submarines, suggests a photo opportunity. Similar formations are often seen during exercises, but not in wartime conditions. Even if that is the case for the exact maneuver however, the bigger picture remains the concentration of forces at Tartus, possibly for protection and resupply.

All The Ships In One Place​

This is the concentration of essentially the entire Russian Navy in the Mediterranean, in one place. Ordinarily these vessels would be operating in distinct groups. Them being where they were showed that, for a moment, neither of the Kilo class submarines were on patrol. Neither the cruisers which are likely causing NATO significant concern.

The Slava class cruisers are primarily anti-ship platforms. For this they are each armed with 16 P-1000 Vulkan supersonic missiles. They also provide respectable area air-defense with 64 S-300F Rif missiles.

Other combatants include two Udaloy Class anti-submarine destroyers, and two general purpose frigates. The frigates, and a Buyan-M class corvette, can all carry Kalibr cruise missiles which is a weapon used in the Ukraine invasion. The Kilo Class submarines can also carry this weapon.

Naval News assesses that it is likely that the ships may have separated again into several groups. Some Russian warships may now sail to the Black Sea to directly support operations there. This will mean transiting the Bosporus Strait through Turkish waters. This will be controversial, and Ukraine has reportedly asked Turkey to close the straits to Russian ships.
 

Unusual Russian Navy Concentration Seen In Eastern Mediterranean

As the world watches Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there is also a significant and purposeful Russian Navy presence in the Mediterranean. This is part of the same big picture. Today they have been observed sailing close together in an unusual formation.

H I Sutton 24 Feb 2022
Russia has reinforced its naval presence in the Mediterranean, much more than usual. This can be seen as an outer defense layer for naval operations in the Black Sea, off Ukraine. In particular, to deter NATO involvement, especially from the US and French aircraft carriers.

At the same time that Russian Navy units supported the invasion of Ukraine, their major warships in the Mediterranean came together. Both of the Slava class cruisers presently there, plus escorts and support ships, were sailing in close formation. They appeared to be sailing to Tartus in Syria where Russia has a base.

The unusual formation is clearly visible in European Space Agency’s (ESA) satellite imagery. An image, taken by the Sentinel 2 satellite at 08:40 UTC today, shows 16 ships. At the exact same time information was flooding in about the opening attacks in the Ukraine invasion.

The formation is only 0.9 miles (1.5 km) across and 1.7 miles (2.7 km) long, meaning that all ships are within visual sight of each other. The ships were already within Syrian territorial waters and heading directly for the port of Tartus. This is Russia’s only overseas naval base. Here the vessels are operating under significant air cover and an air-defense umbrella from Russian bases in Syria.

The closeness of the formation, particularly with two submarines, suggests a photo opportunity. Similar formations are often seen during exercises, but not in wartime conditions. Even if that is the case for the exact maneuver however, the bigger picture remains the concentration of forces at Tartus, possibly for protection and resupply.

All The Ships In One Place​

This is the concentration of essentially the entire Russian Navy in the Mediterranean, in one place. Ordinarily these vessels would be operating in distinct groups. Them being where they were showed that, for a moment, neither of the Kilo class submarines were on patrol. Neither the cruisers which are likely causing NATO significant concern.

The Slava class cruisers are primarily anti-ship platforms. For this they are each armed with 16 P-1000 Vulkan supersonic missiles. They also provide respectable area air-defense with 64 S-300F Rif missiles.

Other combatants include two Udaloy Class anti-submarine destroyers, and two general purpose frigates. The frigates, and a Buyan-M class corvette, can all carry Kalibr cruise missiles which is a weapon used in the Ukraine invasion. The Kilo Class submarines can also carry this weapon.

Naval News assesses that it is likely that the ships may have separated again into several groups. Some Russian warships may now sail to the Black Sea to directly support operations there. This will mean transiting the Bosporus Strait through Turkish waters. This will be controversial, and Ukraine has reportedly asked Turkey to close the straits to Russian ships.
Well that's not good. But I'm confident their Navy is no match for US/French carrier task force. Not to mention the Virginia subs in the area.
 
Well that's not good. But I'm confident their Navy is no match for US/French carrier task force. Not to mention the Virginia subs in the area.
They are not there to fight. Its a part of Putin's brinkmanship. Any meaningful Naval action will need a tumble with this Russian task force. That will bring US into a shooting war with Russia.

30 years after the USSR, US still doesn't want a fight with the Russians. Its too big of a psychological thing for them.

In other news Putin has a major buildup of armour and supporting elements on the Polish border.
 
They are not there to fight. Its a part of Putin's brinkmanship. Any meaningful Naval action will need a tumble with this Russian task force. That will bring US into a shooting war with Russia.

30 years after the USSR, US still doesn't want a fight with the Russians. Its too big of a psychological thing for them.

In other news Putin has a major buildup of armour and supporting elements on the Polish border.
Don't waste your breath. He's selectively good with information on aircrafts, hopeless on military tactics & totally out of depth in geopolitics. Basically the American counterpart of our favorite in house clown & entertainer - Paddy.
 
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Don't waste your breath. He's selectively good with information on aircrafts, hopeless on military tactics & totally out of depth in geopolitics. Basically the American counterpart of our favorite in house clown & entertainer - Paddy.

Meanwhile - a lot of NATO tankers over Poland and surrounding areas. CAPS in air. Deterrence or mere prudence?
 

If you want a totally neutral unbiased take on the events in Ukraine, please peruse this video. Do note this was recorded a few hours before Putin launched his invasion.

The guest is the P. S. Raghavan ex Indian Ambassador to Russia apart from various other roles including extremely vital ones he's played in the foreign policy establishment & the PMO & also as the Chairman of the NSAB ( 2016-20 ) .

He does give his insight into the events leading up to the invasion with an Indian perspective but otherwise it's pretty neutral.

A word about the interviewer too. It's not very rare to find mediocrity juxtaposed against brilliance, certainly not in the Indian context but of late certainly not in the international context too.

Apart from her annoying mediocre questions, her constant interruptions in a show unironically titled Uninterrupted, it's her sheer lack of preparation & her reliance on the US media's view of Russian & especially Putin which comes to the fore.

She frequently interrupts the train of thought of her guest in the midst of his explanation but try as she did her best to derail the discussion instead of restricting her role to the bare minimum allowing for the guest to take centre stage, she doesn't quite manage to do so.

What we have instead is a rare exposition on the entire issue from a veteran which could always have been better.