Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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How many Ukranians killed & Ukranian equipment destroyed in the same time frame Paddy ?
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The same reason I gave for why the Russians did not plan on taking Kiev through bloodshed.
The same reason I gave for why the Russians did not plan on taking Kiev through bloodshed.
You simply cannot comprehend the level of devastation. No one can really.
It's not just oil and gas that is sanctioned though, it's everything else too. You can always balance a budget but GDP will still fall massively, as will growth thereafter and balancing a budget in such circumstances rarely includes military expansion. The greatest fear in Europe right now is WWIII. No Russian oil and gas would be uncomfortable but very manageable by comparison.
WTF?!They fired over a thousands missiles at Ukraine, what do they expect, seriously? Russia brought this on itself entirely. NATO could fire missiles from the Baltics or Poland at Moscow but they choose not to base such short-range nuclear missiles there for the sake of stability. Russia are the ones over their internationally recognised borders, try to bear that in mind.
As long as civilians survive in enough numbers, everything else can be rebuilt. Unless it happens accidentally, I don't expect a nuclear war to last a mere 30 min from start to finish.
To escape sanctions, all a country has to do is become food and energy independent. Everything else can be solved in time. Especially so in an industrialised economy with relatively rich people.
It's not about the volume, it's about the cost and time to target. Firing off missiles from Poland and Romania, which also the Russians find undesirable, will be a more expensive affair than missiles fired from Ukraine at shorter ranges. Furthermore, the real problem is the time to target, which makes Russian IADS less responsive.
Tensions surge after breakaway Moldovan region reports attacks; Kyiv blames Russia
CHISINAU (Reuters) -Ukraine accused Moscow on Tuesday of trying to drag Moldova's breakaway region of Transdniestria into its war on Kyiv after authorities in the Moscow-backed region said they had been targeted by a series of attacks. Authorities in Transdniestria, an unrecognised sliver of...
They won't, most intelligent and capable civilians will be in or around the city or large towns, they'll all be gone. I can believe you even think there'll be a civilisation after. For the most part it will last 30 minutes, but then the bombers will arrive to plough the debris just in case.
Easier said than done, and even then you have to worry about raw materials. No country has everything they need in terms of oil, gas, iron and rare earth metals, chemicals and minerals. And even if they did, without trade, their growth would be crap.
The Russian IADS is seven flavours of complete b0ll0x as we've seen from this war, and the difference in cost is immaterial to wealthy NATO country. But the fact is, they've spent the last 30 years not basing missiles in Europe for stability, all Pershing IIs were withdrawn in 1991. Aside from this the SLRC is due to have a range of 1000+nmi anyway, so they could shell Moscow with nukes from Poland if they wanted for less cost than any SRBM. But the fact is they will not base such weapons there for stability. Agreement can always be reached for the sake of stability, but you cannot just invade a sovereign fledgling democracy on NATO's doorstep and expect no consequences, and then blame NATO for trying to start WWIII, that's just insanity. You can get away with that kind of crap off the southern border of Russia to some extent, but it won't work off the western border because it's too close to us and it makes us uncomfortable.
The biggest mistake western allies made was helping the USSR too much during WWII, we should have recognised that there were two evils a lot more, we should have provided enough help for Russia to hold Russian territory but no more. With any luck that would have prevented the USSR swamping Eastern European and with a little more luck it would have caused the collapse of the Soviet Regime post war, and hence prevented the rise of the CCP and DPRK, and the spread of Communist BS throughout Asia. So much damn evil sprung from that one regime.
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Damn Paddy ! You think the comedian would extend support to the president in Moldava . Probably send troops to bolster the beleaguered president there thus pre empting the Russkies now that Ukraine ia done & dusted & all that's needed is a formal declaration of victory a la VE day in Europe by the comedian ?
Tensions surge after breakaway Moldovan region reports attacks; Kyiv blames Russia
CHISINAU (Reuters) -Ukraine accused Moscow on Tuesday of trying to drag Moldova's breakaway region of Transdniestria into its war on Kyiv after authorities in the Moscow-backed region said they had been targeted by a series of attacks. Authorities in Transdniestria, an unrecognised sliver of...www.yahoo.com
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In India, we have plans of surviving after a nuclear war. It's unlikely that India will go unscathed in a nucler war between the West and Russia. But we have the population and ability.
India does very little trade and still has good growth. It's about how well the service and industry sectors keeps up. Russia has enough of a population to cultivate self-sufficiency capabilities. Plus it's not like they will become a complete pariah, India and China will continue to trade with them.
Russian IADS is not in proper use. They are probably not using their most advanced capabilities, to keep it all a secret.
"Evil..."
Nah, you had big plans to topple the SU, but didn't go through with it 'cause the West was completely outclassed. Or you would have done it. Post war, the SU had 2-3 times the number of men and materials and 5 times the artillery. And even with all that strength, the evil SU decided they will use conquered countries like Poland as a buffer.Funny stuff the Soviets had planned even though nukes existed.
These 10 world-changing invasions were planned but never happened
If these 10 invasions had happened, the world would be a dramatically different place.
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After the exchanges, Eastern armies were to pour West, capturing cities in West Germany and pushing all the way to France. Czechoslovak armies took the middle of Europe, through to the Pyrenees while Polish and Soviet armies took the Northern parts. They planned a five-to-one advantage in troop strength and hoped to be at the Atlantic Coast within 14 days.
'Cause you think the Russians are evil?
I think the US is really trying to provoke Russia to hit them in some capacity so that the US can claim victim and retaliate against Russia inside Ukraine.
It may work the Russians could be dumb enough to take the bait.
Yes , that's probably why the US didn't supply state of the art systems like THAAD or Patriots to the Ukrainians limiting themselves to low tech drones , artillery pieces & ammo . You didn't even supply tanks or APCs & those goddamned Polish MiG-29s are still crawling their way to Ukraine.
Frankly , I don't see what's preventing you from doing just that & see how the Russians react. I mean what's the worst that could happen . Ukraine may end up being nuked . Irish Joe would be safe in the WH & you in trailer park while Paddy'd be venting thru every pore in his body here but would never volunteer to join the foreign legion of fighters for Ukraine. Whoever called him dumb ? He's a smart cookie when it comes to saving his miserable backside. Isn't it Paddy ? @BMD
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I see them mainly targeting Russia, China and NK if Russia attacks. "Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the mouth." - Mike Tyson.In India, we have plans of surviving after a nuclear war. It's unlikely that India will go unscathed in a nucler war between the West and Russia. But we have the population and ability.
India does very little trade and still has good growth. It's about how well the service and industry sectors keeps up. Russia has enough of a population to cultivate self-sufficiency capabilities. Plus it's not like they will become a complete pariah, India and China will continue to trade with them.
Russian IADS is not in proper use. They are probably not using their most advanced capabilities, to keep it all a secret.
"Evil..."
Funny stuff the Soviets had planned even though nukes existed.
For the Russians and their allies, the war didn’t stop at the nuclear exchange. Nukes only shaped the conventional battlefield.
These 10 world-changing invasions were planned but never happened
If these 10 invasions had happened, the world would be a dramatically different place.
After the exchanges, Eastern armies were to pour West, capturing cities in West Germany and pushing all the way to France. Czechoslovak armies took the middle of Europe, through to the Pyrenees while Polish and Soviet armies took the Northern parts. They planned a five-to-one advantage in troop strength and hoped to be at the Atlantic Coast within 14 days.
'Cause you think the Russians are evil?
That's of little benefit to them due to economic gravity, China and India are too far from Moscow, Volgograd and St. Petersburg.
That is super unlikely at this stage. They are desperate.
Yes evil, you have no fuucking clue, but the people of Europe do. People were killed trying to leave East Germany and still people tried escaping because they were desperate. Tens of millions were killed by Stalin and Mao and other regimes born by the USSR like the DPRK and NVA. You are literally blind to them because you 'think' they're your friend. By buffer, you mean by installing oppressive puppet regimes and making people's lives hell. Hungary and Czechoslovakia tried to escape and look what happened. Your China problem wouldn't even exist without the USSR, it would be much nicer to have a larger version of Taiwan next door for sure.
They have enough artillery nukes to wipe out the entire Soviet army during the Cold War, even without ICBMs and SLBMs, GLCM, ALCMs and MRBMs.
Because they flattened a village you think they aren't evil? Logistics is probably the reason they didn't flatten Kiev. Hitting a civilian shelter, two hospitals, a train station and conducting a massacre in Bucha and Irpin and likely Mariupol too - I'd say avoiding bloodshed wasn't the issue. I know they are evil, it's a hard fact and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply a dumb sh1t.
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Delusional man is delusional.
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