Ukraine - Russia Conflict

vstol Jockey said:
how many wreaks did we see? Ghost of Kiev has turned out to be lie bigger than your crap posted her. You believe in propaganda. can you please tell me as to why UKR asking for heavy weapons like tanks when the number of tanks brought on by Russia is lower than what UKR had before the start of war? Something does not add up. UKR is asking for arty and tanks, why? did they get destroyed or captured? Only thing that UKR has won till now is information and propaganda war. Did you see your sissie mercenariers from US+Uk+canada crying in front of russians asking for mercy?
Gaand main dum nahi aur hum kisi say kam nahi. Bloody Wokes.
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I've seen most of the videos on twitter, I've seen the tank wrecks. Go ask Russian mothers if they believe Russian figures. Did Russia tell the truth about the Moskva? Their figures are simply hilarious. Go look back on this thread about what the usual suspects posted about the Moskva before Russia admitted it had sunk. They then tried make out it was an accident, but started firing loads of cruise missiles at Kyiv in revenge. They're not even coherently stupid at this point.

Who says the number of tanks brought by Russia was lower? They've had several huge convoys, and that train that derailed, what was that carrying? Why has Russia's advance basically stopped dead?
 
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Russia has used about 65% of its ground force since the beginning of the war. Namely - 120 battalion tactical groups. These are the latest data from British intelligence. The British suggest - it is likely that more than a quarter of these units are already incapacitated. According to the latest information, even some of the most elite units of the Russian Army have been significantly depleted, including airborne troops. It will take years for Russia to rebuild these forces. We hope that during this time the orcostan itself will finally fall into disrepair or simply disappear ...
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vstol Jockey said:
Part-7. How would Indian Armed forces had done this campaign.

  • If we try and compare a likely Indian Offensive into Pakistan or if Indian armed forces had planned this offensive for RA, we would not have committed such a large force for Kiev while we too would have gone for a diversionary attack to unsettle the well defended and dugout enemy forces and force them to fight in areas where they have no defenses.
  • We would have identified areas wherein we have mostly UKR citizens live and bombarded the hell out of them. Creat deep thrust lines rather than attack the entire front.
  • Support these IBGs and formation with whatever we have instead of diverting airpower to strike HVTs when we have missiles to do that job more effectively.
  • The opening stage will hit all kind of energy sources from fuel dumps to power station to food silos and water supply sources for the area we plan to progress into. Going after Communications centers is pointless as we have seen in this war. The alternates thru satellites are always available.
  • We did it in 1965 by taking out their ammo trains and also in 1971 when we used AN-12s to carpet bomb the railyards of Pakistan. RA for some unknown reasons has still not done it. We had USA+UK threatening us with their CBGs.
  • The local insurgency must work with the main objective and the main aim of the war like we have in Balochistan and KP in Pakistan. Russia did not do it while it could have done it easily. Entire UKR has minimum 25% population of Russians especially in its west. They could have been ideal for such disruptive resistance.
  • In case of Pakistan we do not have such constraints of India friendly population. We will blast away and kill who ever comes in front of us.
  • The combined arms IBGs will have their integral air power and infantry to support their offensive and that will see much lesser attrition of our Tank columns with a much higher rate of progress in battle field.
  • IBGs are supposed to give us a breakthru and advance as much as 25kms a day in heavy resistance. But these IBGs will attack only in a very limited frontage to achieve rapid breakthrus and later engage in pincer to encirlcle the enmy forces and destroy them.
  • Their will be no heliborne ops or deep insertions by paratroopers unless the breakthru is made.
  • Incase of RA no such conditions were met when they tried to occupy the airfield next to Kiev.
  • Indian Armed forces are also watching this battle and we are learning lessons from it. BUT a statement by IAF chief let out the secret. He said that UKR is winning on tactical level. Why tactical level? and did he mean UKR or the NATO? This will be covered tomorrow.
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Sir , in 2019 , Gen Bipin Rawat said in an interview that
" If we cannot win against Pakistan in 10 days , then there is No point in going to War

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Arsenal for Pakistan prepped, Army now focuses on ammo reserves to deal with China

The Army was found to be in severe shortage of ammunition after the 2016 Uri attack, as India took stock for a possible war in the wake of the surgical strike.
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But Now the Permanent Chinese Deployment near LAC has made us Redraw our plans and Reframe our objectives

Some Army formations have been shifted to LAC

A war with Pakistan will soon become a Two Front War
 
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BMD said:
Yeah, with Ukraine's money, not their own.

The bigger ones can be taken out by SAMs, because the cost justifies it.

The fact is most US and NATO allies are democracies. Most Russian allies are not. India is the odd one out. You can call it compliance or you can call it aligned interests. How is that so many democracies are compliant, or have aligned interests? Take a look at the nations who voted to block Russia's expulsion from the UNHCR, it's like a list of the world's worst actors. Why is it that Russia can only persuade dictatorships into compliance/alliance?

Ukraine got invaded because it was trying to be a democracy, where people's needs are heard, rather than having fake votes. All the surrounding countries who were once in the USSR know this and the EU does. Democratic alliance with Russia from another Eastern European country is simply an impossibility. It would be like having a Muslim pig farmer.
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Ukraine wouldn't have money if it's destroyed.

US does not have allies, we have been through this, they only have vassals. Yesmen. Only France sticks out. The rest are all just indirectly ruled by the US. They simply have better control over some than the others. And the local govts take care of what's visible to the locals, so it gives them the illusion of self-control. All advanced economies are pretty much under the American thumb. There's not a single Western democratic country that honestly stands up to the US beyond making some noise. Europe would have reacted the same way against the Americans in Iraq in 2003 had they been fully sovereign countries. We have been through this long ago. Allying with the US means subordinating yourself to the US, you are no longer a sovereign country. Which is why India doesn't consider itself an American ally, only a partner with common goals.

Lol, Ukraine a democracy? Are you still at it? It stopped being a democracy in 2014. A coup followed by an illegal election after disenfranchising the opposition pretty much places it along the ranks of Myanmar and Venezuela and all other tinpot dictatorships around the world.
 
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All countries of the #UE, including #Hongria, have accepted the # embargo common on Russian oil, but it has been introduced
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BMD said:
Well if you're admitting that you're being manipulated, that's fine I guess. And since the forex holds value better than rupees, surely that's a good thing?

No we won't, that's garbage. We would be seeing WWIII now if the west had any desire to get into a war with Russia. Russia's demise, if it happens, will come from the Russian people, just as the Soviet demise before it did, and it will be their own fault for frankly being authoritarian imbeciles, who slashed the wrists of their own economy for no good reason, whilst imposing ridiculous laws against protest. Not one NATO tank or boot will cross the Russian border.

They didn't until Putin took over. When you have a huge authoritarian regime next door with a large military, who's spending 4-6% of GDP on defence, you are a fool to only spend 1%. China is Russia's best friend, you talk about combatting them but not Russia, this is illiterate foreign policy.

If Russia attacks via proxies, the proxies will receive cruise missiles every time there's an attack. Simple as that. There won't be a war, there'll just be missiles. No attacks, no missiles.
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Yes, India is a victim of manipulation by the West. It's old news. Everybody in India knows. Fake HR complaints, illegal religious conversion, foreign lobbies and media influence public opinion, all by threatening trade and threatening our way of life. It's been happening for decades.

The Russians will start WW3.

Good luck if you believe you can deal with a Kashmir style situation in Europe.
 
randomradio said:
Yes, India is a victim of manipulation by the West. It's old news. Everybody in India knows. Fake HR complaints, illegal religious conversion, foreign lobbies and media influence public opinion, all by threatening trade and threatening our way of life. It's been happening for decades.

The Russians will start WW3.

Good luck if you believe you can deal with a Kashmir style situation in Europe.
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You're a victim of your own stupid decisions.

WW3 won't help them unless Kremlin folk are eager to get to hell faster and pre-cooked.

What do you think ISIS and Al-Quaeda tried do?
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Sir , in 2019 , Gen Bipin Rawat said in an interview that
" If we cannot win against Pakistan in 10 days , then there is No point in going to War

theprint.in

Arsenal for Pakistan prepped, Army now focuses on ammo reserves to deal with China

The Army was found to be in severe shortage of ammunition after the 2016 Uri attack, as India took stock for a possible war in the wake of the surgical strike.
theprint.in theprint.in

But Now the Permanent Chinese Deployment near LAC has made us Redraw our plans and Reframe our objectives

Some Army formations have been shifted to LAC

A war with Pakistan will soon become a Two Front War
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If Pakistan and India go to war, China will sit out. If China and India go to war, Pakistan will be forced to join in. Pretty much how a two-front war is possible. The war needs to be big enough though.

We can't fight a two-front war today. The only good news is Pakistan is in a lot worse position logistically and financially, so they are not prepared to fight any war.

In any case, an Indo-Pak war won't see the constraints that Russia is facing in Ukraine. If we fight, it will be all-out. We won't be standing around waving traffic through like the Russians. Plus we won't be taking cities, we will only be isolating them so certain provinces can then consolidate power and announce their independence safely, post the destruction of Pak's ground forces. In the meantime, we will defang and denuke Pak permanently, so what's leftover won't pose any military challenge to India in the future.
 
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