Ukranians dont care abt infra damage as they know that these territories will never be recovered. So they end up fighting from every school, hospital, power utilities....etc. and getting it destroyed deliberately. Worse thing is that they are not being destroyed while just defending but also after being occupied by russian militias, donetsk & other cities are being repeatedly bombed by ukranian artillery.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Yep. But by not moving the front too drastically, the Russians are minimising damage to just the front.
Once enough UAF troops are killed, the war will reach a tipping point and the Russians should be able to mobilise and take over vast swathes of unprotected territory with very little effort.
In the meantime, an entire generation of Ukrainians will get wiped out in the meat grinder until Western supplies dry up.
Retex from a Ukrainian tank officer:
- Ukrainian tank strength is still 80% complete
- Tanks are still very useful
- The Ukrainians are very happy with the number of Russian tanks they were able to recover
- The Russians still seem to apply the old Soviet doctrines, 10 tanks per 500m, except that they don't have enough
- The 2 opponents are reviewing their tanks to be repaired more than 200 to 300 km from the front, so as not to endanger irreplaceable technical teams
- The change of crew from T64 to T80 or T72 is not so easy
- HE shells are very effective in neutralizing the enemy, 1 to 3 shells if the cupolas are open, and the crew flees quickly, or by misfortune is wounded/killed in the machine
- Many Russian losses due to poor training and unspeakable logistics, many fuel failures
- Oryx is quite close to reality, 60-70% of UKR losses and 50-60% of Russian losses
- Enemy tanks destroyed or captured give financial rewards to the soldiers doing the capturing/destroying
- Russians use 125mm gun-launched missiles quite heavily
- Russian T80BVMs have suffered enormously, almost 80% casualties, training new Russian troops on T72B3MS is problematic, which would explain the re-release of the simpler T62
- Only 3 tank refurbishment factories left in Russia with max of 100 to 200 refurbished tanks per month
- The Javelin is a terror, better than the Stugna, the NLAW is not bad, but not perfect, quality problem with the tracking chips
- Modern tanks have too many unprotected sight openings, up to 800m with a 5.45 or 12.7 you hurt the tank driver
- The sides of Soviet designed tanks are only protected by 30 mm of armour over a height of 30 cm, and in front of the circular ammunition magazine
- The best protected Russian tank is the T80BVM ahead of the T90A and T72B
- He confirms that a TV report led to the destruction and loss of one of the best Ukrainian tank repair workshops
- 20 to 30 Ukrainian tanks are repaired every month in Eastern Europe
- No need for Leopards now, rather T72s
- Night vision systems on some captured Russian tanks or T72s from the West require special training for crews
- A "naked" T72 will be dressed with reactive bricks by 2-3 workers in 1 day
- In some cases T64 Ukr prove superior to T80 or T72, in other cases it is the opposite
- Finally: NATO does not need many tanks anymore, most of the Russian tanks will soon be totally destroyed
It's easy to mix propaganda with truth and create a narrative.
This report from a 40% survived tank officer who was in 15% of the battles is 60% factually correct while there are chances that 40% of it is incorrect when compared to 80% of the overall report.
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Get a load of the tabloids carrying this propaganda - The Daily Star, The Sun - notorious girlie magazine from Paddy's youth which he unfailingly quotes daily out here, Daily Mail, New York Post, etc all lowbrow publications & a complete & thorough disgrace to the press or anyone who's anything remotely resembling a brain, hence patronized by working class bums , the Irish & trailer park crowds .
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Like I said before, Oryx have a backlog, there are certain losses they haven't included yet, for Russians and Ukrainians. You can likely multiply their figures by 2 all round.Oryx has started proving to be unreliable.
Now Oryx says 1233 vehicles destroyed, captured or abandoned until today. But let's see what the Ukrainians themselves have to say.
I’m just talking about heavy weapons. As of today, we have approximately 30 to 40, sometimes up to 50 percent of losses of equipment as a result of active combat. So, we have lost approximately 50 percent. … Approximately 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles have been lost, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems.Ukraine to U.S.Defense Industry: We Need Long-Range, Precision Weapons
Ukraine to U.S. Defense Industry: We Need Long-Range, Precision Weaponswww.nationaldefensemagazine.org
And these numbers are as of a month ago. So 1233 by Orxy, but 2400 by the Ukrainians themselves, DESTROYED, not just abandoned or captured. And they are still lying about it. As per the Russians, Ukr's inventory is now almost entirely foreign. So that's over 6000 heavy weapons destroyed. A lot of the Oryx kills attributed to Russians are actually Ukrainian.
As I said before, most of the Ukr "kills" are merely isolated units killed in ones or twos, but Ukr is losing entire units at the brigade level. Many brigades have been pulled out with 80% losses. Hell, the Ukr general himself admits 50% losses, as of a month ago. That's 50% of their entire military.
Russia is losing entire brigades and batteries too. If you've been keeping up with updates you'd know that anyone claiming 5,000 deaths for either side at this stage is a sure liar.
Russia has been caught balls deep in a lie several times during this war though. Moskva, shopping mall, 'I'm not going to invade Ukraine'.... Nazis in the Donbass, so I'll try annex all of Ukraine....
You're using 'being careful' as an excuse for underperformance that you otherwise can't explain. Russia has been anything but careful, especially in the opening stages, and even more so in their bombardment. They're just struggling.
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A pretty good picture of the EW warfare environment. The threat of drones would increase the ideal air defense density to go beyond any point in history, and the EW simply demands counter fires and drone autonomy.
One thing that is not talked about (and probably very secret) in the current conflict is Ukraine electronic intelligence capability.