What if they lost men, & unable capture Ukrain as whole? Also what if they lost men & withdrawn in to Russian borders?
Russians like surprises or atleast the leaders. Last time they surprised their people was in 1991.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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This thread is ballooned too far. if you get patience, go and check the old pages, you could find hundreds of posts in which people were anticipating an immediate victory for Russians, some even predicted kyive will be destroyed in hours after seeing the convoy movement. Nothing had happened.
Ahhh yes winter. Exactly what is it that your kiddo mind thinks will happen this winter?
The war was over for Russia the moment they invaded. They could have been content with what they had after 2014 invasion but nope... for that misstep they will lose all of Ukraine and there's only two choices for Russia... fight and lose or retreat.
US hasn't given anything of significant, to US, when it comes to weapons. US still has over a thousand M1a2 tanks in storage that they can give to Ukraine which are more capable than anything Russia has fielded in the war. Same goes for IFV and many many more toys. US is heavily bleeding Russia at bargain basement prices without these toys and Russia can't do anything about it.
Half their work is done, that is militarily devastating ukraine. They dont even need to conquer ukraine. A message has been sent & a benchmark has been set to show what will happen if russia thinks if it is in danger. If in future ukraine does the same crap they know what they know what they will get in return.
Even if they pull back the troops and leave all the land, there will be euphoria for some time that they won....etc just like in afghanistan. But the once they settle down and start fixing the economy they will see the pain.
So you are telling wheather they capture Ukrain or not Russia will be the winner?
Its called straw mans argument where west comforts itself with such statements, this war has been going on since 2014 and reached a flash point when ukraine amassed 60k troops for a military operation. Russia intervened and every thing went hay wire. West did the same thing in 1971 against India , dont expect any truth from them.
yes , any other country which tries to pull a ukraine will know what they will end up with. If India had did this to pakistan when we were attacked after independence we would not have been facing a nuclear armed country now. We dint send the message that any attack will be dealt severly which makes pakistan bold to keep repeating the same crap. More than winning & losing intent should be there.
If russia had not done this then other states would soon do the same thing. More than russia it is the US which has lost its face, sooner or later taiwan will patch up with china instead of believing the hollow western promises.
If Russia pulled back to pre feb position, that too because of UA military action, then hiw can Russia ensure that Ukrain will not join NATO?
Lol. You need a reality slap.
All Russia has done is make Ukraine get rid of their Soviet era stock and make a transition of western made equipment.
Lol! So now they don't need to conquer Ukraine even though that was their goal from the beginning of the invasion? Talk about moving the goal post.
When Russia leaves Ukraine, by whatever means it happens, Russia will likely collapse and Ukraine will see an economic boom because frozen Russian assets that number in the $hundreds of billions will be used to rebuilt. Not to mention the aid loans. Ukraine will become an investment hub for construction companies.
Destruction creates economic boom. Just ask Europe after WW2 and Marshal Plan.
When Russia is defeated, which will likely happen soon by the looks of what they are drafting, Ukraine will become what Russia pretended it was afraid of... A member of NATO. Their stupid invasion caused two neutral nations one at their border to become NATO members and it will be so for Ukraine.
ukraine is ready for nato but nato is running shit scared they are the one delaying the membership. Not every beggar can join nato its like you need to have some good economy to start with so that you can contribute towards military.
See i am not looking in to who did what! As an outsider, this war is not directly affecting , my country is not taking part in it, Mr putin or Zelenskyy is not my pm too. I am just observing thing,& my conclusion is Russia as a military power is a joke & its equipment too, which is a worrisome thing since my country is using huge chunk of Russian origin weapons. If SU35 faila multiple times, then the 20 year old technology of MKI will be sitting duck. If Moskva's close in weapon failed to intercept the missile coming towards her, then AK630 of IN?
You & other indian members should not boil the blood for the Russian failure in this war
yeah panties supplied by west looks good on them.
super man, why dont you provide proof they where russia said they wanted to conquer ukraine.
yeah keep dreaming its tax free.
Then i should re define the world "winner".
Our priority just after partition was different, we have thousand of other problems to address during that perior, we simply dont have enough resources & money to attack Pakistan.
For first sentence: I dont think getting a membership for any country in to any international organisation /alliance cannot be done the way you get a casuality appointment in a hospital.
For second: You are contradicting with your first sentence. Anyway, if thats the case Putin must be aware that Ukrain cannot join NATO, why he went for invasion?
And this invasion made Finland & sweeden to apply for NATO membership. FYI,These two nations are super rich.
Its not russia its the nature of the war has changed. Unlike in the past there is no decisive wins. US got thrashed by rag tag taliban, all their hitech weapons were literally useless what was needed on the ground is old style boots on the ground with more brute power. Hitech weapons are good to destroy infra but cannot defeat the soldier on the ground.
there is no such thing as 100% success.
ppl who are losing their shit are the one who are posting that they are winning all the time. For us it hardly matters who wins or loses but it is disgusting level of hypocrisy of the west which thinks every one can be fooled.
Why dont you behave like matured man? Did NATO supplied panties? What sort of mental orgasm you get by giving these type of nonsenses?
ukarine has been in cahoots with nato since 2014.
they were uncertain how russia would react , russia had warned about it several times. All the previous presidents or ukraine maintained some sort of balance not to disturb the equation but joker in ukraine prodded by west went for it. Just check the jokers background.
check the map and you will see why ukarine is important to russia.
did you lose yours or what?
US won the afghan war, no doubt on it. Yup,They failed to keep away Taliban forever. Here in for Russia, 80% of Ukranian land is inaccessible to Russians , even after 7 months of continuing war. That was not the case with US in Afghan & Iraq.
And true weapons alone cannot win war, that what you are seeing now. Russian soldiers are getting killed, & they exhausted too. Now Putin forced to call Reserve soldiers. Now use your logic to find wheather Afghan & Ukrain invasion have any similarities?
Agreed, but its mf cruiser.
Who is telling these things here now?its the Russian fan boys.
Russia left the areas they captured earlier to Ukrain, reserve battalian is called to Battle field, put a ban on Russian youths to go abroad via airport, convoys are heading towards Georgia from Russia, Putin indirectly giving the hind of nuking. Tell me who is losing here?
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