Ukraine - Russia Conflict

RASALGHUL said:
You want to kill innocent civilians in kiev???
Nuking kiev will get russia totally isolated, Even china, Iran might outright condemed russia.

Another BS Conspiracy Theory.
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Innocent? those who killed over 14k Russians in Donbass starting 2014 including over 4k children are innocent? What you do not know is that Russia may have become a Christian country in 989AD but it was always a Dharmic society and they even today use the dialect of sanskrit as their language and are driven by those very principles of dharmic wars. You will see Ukraine and Europe nuked including USA, if it comes to that. USA will never create a situation in which its own people are nuked, so it will sacrifice Europe.
A Person said:
No, I'm talking about the Russians doing things like this:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1578981633474310144

Zero military usefulness, they just strike residential areas in cities far from the frontline because Russians gotta Russian, I guess.


The only possible response of the West in case of nuclear attacks in Ukraine will be to destroy Russia. No way that the idea that nukes can be used in a war of aggression and invasion can be permitted to exist. Any country that tries will need to be erased so as to avoid setting a very dangerous precedent.

Nukes are for deterrence only, not for expansionism.
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Now who gave you this mahagyaan? Nukes are real weapons to be used when needed to ensure survival. If USA+NATO wants to kill Russia, why should Russia not kill them all?
Hydra said:
If Russia drops nuke on Ukrain, then we can forget about pok. Pakistan will not hesitate to drope nuke on us
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How stupid. You need urgent medical help to get your mind in right place.
 
screambowl said:
How were they able to sustain in Syria then that too against Americans and the proxies. They have definitely used modern weapons there.
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Again, exceedingly few. They launched some for PR to show that they could and then they mostly used unguided carpet bombing.

And no, they never went against Americans. Well, they tried, once. They didn't "sustain" that attempt.
 
RASALGHUL said:
Yup! i have heard this version before. Don't think it's true though.
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You think terrorists used copious quantities of RDX? Same Islamic terrorists who usually use home made explosives like ANFO, and trucks to run people over?

RASALGHUL said:
Agree.

My point is that in july 1945, japanese were close to defeat, even some Top US military/pollitical leders advised US president not to use Nuke, but he went ahead with it.
Using Nuke was more of a showoff. Power projection.
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Well the war still dragged on for over a month after, so I don't accept that analysis. The Japanese weren't known for surrendering.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Innocent? those who killed over 14k Russians in Donbass starting 2014
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BULLSHIT!

That 14k value is for the dead on both sides. Your precious little angels of the so-called separatist republics did more than half of those kills. In addition to being responsible for the entire crisis in the first place.

vstol Jockey said:
Nukes are real weapons to be used when needed to ensure survival. If USA+NATO wants to kill Russia, why should Russia not kill them all?
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Russia's survival is not at stake. They're not the ones who are being invaded by a genocidal enemy bent on raping women and looting washing machines. USA and NATO don't want to kill Russia. Why do you think we spent months trying to convince Putin not to start this war and warning him of the consequences if he did anyway? Well, he did anyway.

You keep inverting the role of victim and aggressor. Russia keeps grandstanding about how it's battling the entire "collective West" and will bring about a new world order, one which is led by Moscow and Beijing. Russia desperately want to kill USA+NATO, but they can't. So they impress all the numbskulls out there with bullshit propaganda, pretend that they are the victims. Oh no, poor widdle Baby Poo-Tin can't even start a brutal war or conquest and genocide without the West hitting him with sanctions, boohoohoo, Crimea river.

Russia is the aggressor and that if Putin hadn't started this "special military operation", as we repeatedly begged him not to, everything would be much better today for everyone including the Russians. The simple fact that you cannot recognize that is he best proof that you should take your own advice:
vstol Jockey said:
How stupid. You need urgent medical help to get your mind in right place.
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screambowl said:
Don't you think, Chinese know that as well. Wouldn't they be flattening the stockpiles first? It's easy to search and destroy in an Island country than a mainland country.
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The launchers are mobile and the stockpiles well bunkered-up.
screambowl said:
In 1965 China was a struggling nation. Now they are second largest economy.
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Not struggling that much, their land forces were still able to push the Korean War to a truce even in the early '50s.
screambowl said:
They can hit Beijing, they can also target machinery and factories , no doubt there will be massive loss to Chinese too but China has ability and infrastructure to recover from the damage within the short span. I would say in days while continuing the operation. Taiwan without external supplies can't have that consistency of assault. They can fight bravely but then then there is a limit there.
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There is a limit for China too. Russia is blessed with lots of oil and gas to sustain its ridiculousness for a long time despite sanctions, China can't get enough oil and gas from Russia alone. And even if some Middle Eastern nations continued to supply China, the US Navy could cut-off those supplies. You also have the possibility that more nations in the region might get involved on Taiwan's behalf, maybe even the US.
 
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Ukrainian military liberated Stelmahivka of Luhansk region.

Blue area increasing around Svatove.

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screambowl said:
Don't you think, Chinese know that as well. Wouldn't they be flattening the stockpiles first? It's easy to search and destroy in an Island country than a mainland country.

In 1965 China was a struggling nation. Now they are second largest economy.


They can hit Beijing, they can also target machinery and factories , no doubt there will be massive loss to Chinese too but China has ability and infrastructure to recover from the damage within the short span. I would say in days while continuing the operation. Taiwan without external supplies can't have that consistency of assault. They can fight bravely but then then there is a limit there.
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taiwan & china will not indulge in such bloody war for simple reason that taiwan knows what the end result will be. More or less there will be some initial bravado by the taiwanese leadership to check how they can push china without a fight if that does not succeed then the talks will ensue. At the max there will be some small skirmishes at the low level. On the other hand even china knows that there is no point in destroying taiwan and taking over it, it doesnt help them in any way.

Even India knows that taiwan is a losing cause thats why we never played that card. West on the other hand just wants to hype up the reality and wants taiwanese to go ballistic and cause damage to china. Just like every where west wants to cause more damage & create hate/acrimony rather than seeing them win.
 
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