Ukraine - Russia Conflict

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Just a fringe group trying to look bigger by riding the coattails of a larger demonstration. Which has been a common sight with all these "yellow jackets" protests, which are an amalgamation of separate groups that all have different and usually incompatible demands.
"But Putin cares about Russia." ....Yeah, about that.

General Surovikin spent at least six months in prison after soldiers under his command killed three protesters in Moscow during a failed coup in August 1991, but was eventually released without trial, according to a paper from the Jamestown Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington. In 1995, he also received a suspended sentence for illegal arms trade, the paper said, adding that the conviction was later overturned.​
What a surprise, a corrupt gangster promotes another corrupt gangster. While the orcs are happy due to Suroviki's reputation for brutality and cruelty, which are the values they cherish above all else, you can rest assured that the real reason why Putin chose him is because he is not just violent but also a petty thief.

Every single person that matters in Russia is a crook. That's why the country hopelessly sucks.
 
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Just a fringe group trying to look bigger by riding the coattails of a larger demonstration. Which has been a common sight with all these "yellow jackets" protests, which are an amalgamation of separate groups that all have different and usually incompatible demands.

General Surovikin spent at least six months in prison after soldiers under his command killed three protesters in Moscow during a failed coup in August 1991, but was eventually released without trial, according to a paper from the Jamestown Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington. In 1995, he also received a suspended sentence for illegal arms trade, the paper said, adding that the conviction was later overturned.​
What a surprise, a corrupt gangster promotes another corrupt gangster. While the orcs are happy due to Suroviki's reputation for brutality and cruelty, which are the values they cherish above all else, you can rest assured that the real reason why Putin chose him is because he is not just violent but also a petty thief.

Every single person that matters in Russia is a crook. That's why the country hopelessly sucks.
And people ask why Ukraine bans certain parties. Because they're a criminal enterprise.
 
Yup! Did you read post#11,380 ?
Did you get the context?
Aw Come On Martin Scorsese GIF
Fair enough.
Anyway, Some good news for INDIA....
TLDR: Russia have the one of the best AD systems and patriot AD system sucks...
Now that's just garbage. I mean Ukraine destroyed two airbases and two Tu-22M3s with drones and HIMARS kills ammunition dumps at will. Those are targets that you know are subject to attack, unlike children's parks and hospitals.

As regards Iraqi Scuds, that was a new capability at the time, only just introduced. Nobody else could even shoot down one such missile back in 1991 and Patriot successfully engaged 40 of them.
 
I agree. These missiles flew at everage speed, not in specially low altitude. So seem quite easy to intercept.
Depends exactly where the AD was, cruise missiles fly at low altitude so there's only a limited range you can attack them from. You also tend to put AD guarding military targets during a war, not residential buildings and swings.
But will they abstain in the main vote?

The annexation of Crimea has already been denounced for anyone who wonders.

 
At Bakhmut, the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminated the Wagnerites.

 

Don't Buy the Narrative on Ukraine​

The Western party line about a struggling Russia and a resilient Ukraine overlooks hard realities.
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Ukrainian soldiers adjust a national flag atop a personnel armored carrier on a road near Lyman, Donetsk region on October 4, 2022. (Anatolii Stepanov/AFP via Getty Images)
Katya Sedgwick
Oct 6, 202212:03 AM

Vladimir Putin’s decision to mobilize reserves for the war in Ukraine has stirred feelings around the world. The former politician and Russian opposition leader Gennady Gudkov posted an aerial view of a 15-lane desert highway with a traffic jam pushing into the horizon. “I am being told,” Gudkov wrote, “this is the [Russian] border with Mongolia on September 22. Be sure to zoom in to examine the picture.” Multiple large vehicles, perhaps buses, were mingled among sedans, suggesting that we are witnessing some sort of mass evacuation of Russians unwilling to serve in Ukraine.
A day earlier I saw the same picture passed on by a Russian blue-check account (I forgot which) claiming that it was the Russia-Kazakhstan border. But, as any resident of the Western United States knows, the photograph, which as of this writing is still available for viewing on Twitter, is of neither. It’s the road to the Burning Man festival in the Nevada desert, and the large vehicles are the RVs in which revelers intend to stay at the event.


I can’t say that the incident turned me against Gudkov, or anyone else in liberal Russian opposition. I find many of them well-informed and relatable. It is just that it is an emotional time in Eastern Europe, and pretty much every opposition figure is overcome by feelings, which is why I find their media mostly useless when it comes to this particular conflict. For reasons far less obvious, the Western media is equally emotionally invested in the conflict, and extraordinarily clueless on top of it.

I get the impression that the news stories are written by the same types who spent decades telling me, a Jew from Soviet Ukraine, that I am a Russian. Now that they have found Ukraine on the map, they are equally confident in the feel-good narrative they are concocting. The narrative, as skewered by the satire outlet the Pacific is, “Ukraine just one aid package away from victory.” Underpinning it is the drama of the demoralized Russia and resilient Ukraine. “Russians Are Terrified and Have Nowhere to Turn,” confidently declares the New York Times in the wake of the mobilization announcement. That follows another Gray Lady headline, “Protests in Russia against Putin’s Mobilization Policy Continue.”
No doubt, some are running away. An estimated 261,000 fled the country so far, and perhaps more will follow. The fact of draft dodging is not in dispute. But it is not clear that the types heading for the border are of much interest to the recruiters. More likely, they are educated, liberal men, sometimes with families, and with no military experience.

What should be in dispute is the coverage. Ann Applebaum is an American-Polish journalist and the wife of the former Polish minister of foreign affairs and current Member of European Parliament Radoslaw Sikorski—last seen thanking the U.S. for blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines carrying Russian gas to Europe. Applebaum commented about the difference between the Russian and the Ukrainian conscriptions:

Refugees from Ukraine in February and March were almost entirely women and children; the men stayed to fight. The new refugees from Russia this week are almost entirely men - because they don't want to fight.



This is the picture we are getting from the media. But consider that the refugees coming out of Ukraine were almost entirely women and children because men weren’t allowed to leave the country openly (though some clever ones had foreign passports and disability papers ready for just this occasion). The images coming out of the country in the early days of war reassured the Western news consumers that Ukraine is not going to be a Syria, that the Ukrainian men are ready to fight.

Yet the men wishing to leave Ukraine typically had to be smuggled, in which case their “refugee” pictures didn’t grace the front page of Western newspapers. If caught, they ended up in the back pages of Ukrainian media. Here is a sample: a border patrol inspector in Odessa charged $2,500 to transport men abroad; a resident of the western Ukrainian Zakarpatia region illegally moved residents of the Kharkov region across the border; in Odessa, recruiters charged $7,000 to create fake medical excuse papers that allowed fifty conscripts to exit the country.
Not surprisingly, corruption exists in the Ukrainian armed forces; it’s just that Western audiences are rarely reminded of it. I could easily engineer coverage of the Ukrainian mobilization that would look exactly like the narrative of Russian mobilization in our media. In fact, the Russian channels successfully did just that. They amplified, for instance, the footage allegedly showing women from the city of Hust in the Zakarpatia region rioting in front of the military recruitment office.


Typing “Ukrainian soldiers refuse to fight” in both Google and Duck Duck Go brings up a list of articles on Russian defectors. But Russian sources have been circulating videos of enemy forces, allegedly from the frontlines, recording messages for Zelensky refusing to continue fighting and demanding to be rotated out of the battlefield. I have no way of authenticating these videos, and I remember how, in 2014, footage of what appeared to be the same corpulent, middle-aged blond men weeping and asking Putin to intervene was recorded in several different regions in southeast Ukraine. Are the videos of Ukrainian soldiers fake? No idea, but there are a lot of them out there.

Just like there are a lot of videos of Ukrainians running away (and sometimes swimming away) from the recruiters. Interestingly enough, the New York Times once ran an article confirming these stories. It didn’t get as much attention as the ones about grandmas knocking out Russian drones with jars of pickles, but it’s worth a read. If that report is to be believed, the Ukrainian fighting spirit is not as previously reported. Ukrainians complain about being casually approached by government officials in public places and handed draft documents.

Living under martial law with a tightly censored media, Ukrainians nevertheless created apps to map real-time location of recruiters to help each other avoid conscription. In Kharkov, the country’s second largest city and a chief target of Russian shelling, the app has 67,000 subscribers. A similar app exists in Lviv, the hotbed of Ukrainian Nazism and the temporary home of the refugees from the East.

Many men opted to join the Territorial Defense Forces on the promise that these units would not be sent to the front lines (they were). Some even flat-out tell officers that they won’t fight for Ukraine because it’s not a real country. In September, Ukraine banned male students from leaving the country for study abroad because too many falsified college admission documents. On the news of Russia’s mobilization, Ukrainian presidential advisor and a frequent guest of Russian opposition news channels Alexey Arestovich stated that college students who are currently exempt from conscription might need to be mobilized. The social media reaction was overwhelmingly negative.



In any war, a number of men will dodge the draft. I can’t estimate the scope of the problem in either Russia or Ukraine, but if Ukraine has 5.5 million military age men, its neighbor can probably come up with a more massive fighting force. Russia’s stated goal is to mobilize 300,000 reservists with prior military experience. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu counts 25 million reservists in total. Maybe some of them will head for the border or go underground, but for the war effort to be sabotaged, an overwhelming majority of them would have to do so.

Some darkly sarcastic Americans say that the U.S. is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. At some point we might just run out of Ukrainians willing to fight. We might also run out of ammo. Since the very beginning of the war, it’s been forecasted that Russia is about to run out of weapons. Maybe they are. But it’s now being revealed that NATO has depleted its supplies of the kind of weaponry we’ve been sending to Ukraine. Our current appropriations are expected to be delivered to the region three years from now.

It does not sound like Putin’s regime is one Ukraine aid package away from crumbling. On the other hand, with Ukraine angling to get NATO involved, it might just fall on the United States to settle this Eastern European border dispute. If that is something we still hope to avoid, then we need to be skeptical of both sides’ narratives and honest with ourselves.
 
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dare to oppose the war.
Opposing the war means opposing Putin and the rest of the Russian state apparatus, since they are the ones who wanted this war, started it, and want to continue it. The only way to oppose the war is to make it unwinnable by Russia so that these monsters will be forced to stop. Anything else is not peace, but encouragement to the continuation of this war.



Extension of the struggle problem - Update of October 11

Let's reiterate the obvious. There are three levels of conflict, i.e., the attempt to impose one's will by force, in modern international relations: I'll call them confrontation, where one exerts pressure on the other in every conceivable way but without fighting; conventional war, which is the same as confrontation plus fighting; and nuclear war, which is the same as conventional war but with the actual use of atomic weapons.​
Crossing one of these thresholds, from confrontation to conventional warfare and from conventional warfare to atomic warfare, is always delicate. One enters a new vortex, often uncertain in its results, but certain in its enormous costs and with great difficulty in turning back. To approach a threshold is to approach an object with very strong gravity. The physics is deformed there and by dint of approaching, one can cross a point of no return. Let us note that the forces present near these two thresholds do not have the same intensity either. Approaching conventional war is like approaching a massive star, it is dangerous but manageable, whereas nuclear war is a terrifying black hole. We are therefore even more reluctant to approach it, even to the point of - between nuclear powers - avoiding crossing the previous threshold.​
Within these spaces, strategies are basically of two types: by pressure until the emergence of the expected result and this looks like poker, or by a sequence of actions where the success of one of them depends on the success of the previous one and one obviously thinks in this case of chess. The first strategy is largely hidden until the outcome, the second is followed on a map.​
The difficulty of understanding the current crisis is a mixture of all this. There is both a war - Russia against Ukraine - and a confrontation - Russia against the Atlantic Alliance - which preceded the war in Ukraine (need we remind you what is happening in Africa?) but which has obviously taken a much more serious turn since then. Moreover, if the confrontation between Russia and the Atlantic Alliance is almost exclusively a poker game (successive packages of sanctions, increasing military aid in kind and volume, cuts or embargoes, more or less explicit messages via sabotage, influence, etc.), the war in Ukraine includes a chessboard of military operations laid out on a wider carpet where an even more sinister poker game is played than the one we are playing because it kills. It is in the context of confrontation that we are helping Ukraine in its war, without wanting to cross the threshold of war, and the Russians are in the same posture.​
This is not new. While the United States supports South Vietnam and wages war on North Vietnam, the Soviet Union provides massive military aid to the North. A few years later, the roles were reversed and it was the Soviet Union that waged war in Afghanistan and supported the Ethiopian or Angolan regimes, while the West, this time united, opposed them. In both cases, the Soviets and the West were not in direct military combat.​
At this stage of the current confrontation, the Russian-Western confrontation is gaining momentum. We have moved on to unclaimed economic sabotage, including perhaps recently on the German rail network. It is always a question for the Russians, in the short term, of shaking Western and especially Western European public opinion, in their conviction to support Ukraine "in the name of peace". Deprived of support, Ukraine will find it very difficult to continue the fight. But it is important to understand, and Vladimir Putin's speech on 30 September was clear, that the rupture is now complete and that a new iron curtain has fallen. The Russian regime has declared a permanent confrontation. Even if we decided to stop aid to Ukraine, the fight would continue.
In the ongoing war in Ukraine, there has been less movement on the chessboard this week than in previous ones. In the battle for Kherson, Russian forces have re-established a defensive line five kilometers south of the Davydiv Brid-Dudchany axis and the pocket has not moved. Interdiction strikes and the virtual siege of the bridgehead continue. In the northern battle, the Ukrainians slowed down their advance towards Kreminna and Svatove, consolidating their position between Lyman and the Oskil River. The Russians, on the other hand, continue small attacks west of the city of Donetsk and south of Bakhmut, where they have seized several villages. The southern Zaporizhia-southern Donetsk line has not moved. Ukrainian forces are consolidating, digesting their victories and replenishing or raising their forces worn out by more than a month of uninterrupted fighting. This slowdown is being used by Russian forces to try to re-establish stronger defensive lines. However, there is no doubt that the Ukrainian offensives will quickly resume in the same northern and southern sectors because they still have a lot of potential for strategic success: the capture of the Starobilsk crossroads would deliver the whole of northern Luhansk province, the liberations of Lysychansk and Severodonetsk would cancel out all the Russian successes of the three months of trench warfare, the destruction of the 49th Army on the bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper would be a very hard blow to the Russian forces and the conquest of Kherson would be a major victory. But it is still possible, if the Ukrainians have the means to do so, that a third offensive could also be launched in the direction of Melitopol.​
Faced with these threats, the Russian margins of maneuver remain limited, counting on the autumn rains and the winter snow to slow down the movements, and thus first of all those of the Ukrainians, and then on the arrival of mobilized reinforcements. The problem, to remain in the chess metaphor, is that the Russians only have pawns to send on the chessboard where the Ukrainians dominate in number of pieces and continue to reinforce them or even manufacture new ones. If the November mud can indeed slow down operations, the winter cold does not prohibit them, and given how well equipped the Russian forces seem to be for winter (which is an added bonus and another indication of the system's failings), it is possible that this will penalize them even more than the Ukrainians. Another expedient is the Belarusian involvement. Since the beginning of the war, President Lukashenko has been wavering between his obliged obedience to Vladimir Putin and the risk of profound internal destabilization that an entry into the war by his country would cause. He therefore has a threshold strategy, offering everything possible to help the Russian army - the use of its soil, the looting of its equipment, the maintenance of a threat of fixation on the Ukrainian border - without going to war. Perhaps he will be forced to, but his army is a "Potemkin army" that would undoubtedly be defeated by the current Ukrainian army. The sacrifice of the Belarusians would relieve the Russians for a while, but at the cost of shaking Belarus to the very uncertain consequences. In the end, it is not at all certain that these new military elements can reverse the trend on the chessboard, but they maintain hope for the Russian camp.​
It may also buy time in the other field of the war, that of pressure on the carpet. The Ukrainian attack on the night of 7 to 8 October against the Kerch bridge linking Crimea to Russia, destroying one road in two, damaging the railroad and weakening the whole, is at the limit between the two fields and it is the best move. Indeed, it can be seen both as a means of hampering the logistics of Russian forces in southern Ukraine, perhaps in preparation for a new offensive, and as an affront to Vladimir Putin, whose great work it is. Whatever the method used, this is a clandestine operation, all the more remarkable because it managed to break through a very dense and much vaunted protection network, which adds to the affront.​
Such an act could not go unpunished as the "war of the (Kremlin) towers" seems to be reawakening between the Russian security baronies - FSB, SVD, GRU, Ministry of Defense, National Guard, Prigozhin group, Kadyrov - and Putin's own action seems to be contested even within the small Politburo of the Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev in the lead. The retaliation took the only possible form: by a strong intensification of the campaign of rear strikes. Using all kinds of missiles, drones and rockets in areas close to the front, the aim was to hit as many towns as possible in order to have a maximum psychological impact, under cover of strikes on infrastructure. Combat aircraft are still strangely absent from this campaign, which is very similar to that of the German V weapons, V as in vengeance, but also as a desperate attempt to make the Ukrainian population crack and then the executive. It is a hope frequently cherished since the First World War with the Zeppelin raids on England or the 1918 bombardment of Paris by German long guns, but always disappointed unless accompanied by a victory or at least a big threat on the land chessboard. For Russian hawks and the Ukrainian population, this escalation, if not in kind but at least in intensity, of the strike campaign also has contradictory effects on Western public opinion, between increased support for Ukraine and pro-Russian "peace talk" (i.e. "let's stop helping Ukraine").​
We will see if the Russians have the will and the means to continue this campaign of high-intensity strikes. In the absence of missiles, perhaps they will be obliged to integrate the air force, which could then suffer considerable damage from the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defence. In any case, it is urgent for Western countries to help the Ukrainians win the battle of the skies on the ground, out of humanitarian concern but also to contribute to destroying two Russian military assets: their missile force (which, it should be remembered, can carry nuclear weapons), which is already very weak, and their air force, which is still intact. This is still an area in which France has largely disarmed itself out of convenience and small economy, but it possesses, like the Caesar cannons in ground-to-ground artillery, a few dozen luxury artefacts such as the Aster 30 missiles, which would be very useful in this battle.​
In summary, with the annexations of the conquered territories, the partial mobilization, the increased Belarusian involvement, the increased campaign of destruction of the Ukrainian economy and the revenge strikes, Vladimir Putin is trying to compensate for an unfavorable military dynamic in the ongoing war. With the energy pressure, with OPEC's help raising the price of oil, the influence campaign, perhaps the realization or threat of sabotage and other surprises that will undoubtedly come, he is also trying to regain the initiative in the confrontation with the West while staying below the threshold of war. This is at least as much hope for him, and as long as there is hope, there is no thought of using nuclear weapons.​
I have emphasized the important part. All those "pro-peace" voices are actually just Putin's fifth column. Even if the governments were weak enough to follow their demands, this wouldn't solve any of the problems the West now faces (only the stupidest of dim-witted morons would think Russia would resume sending gas and oil to the West as if nothing happened). It's not a surprise that Ben Garrison would be one of the Putinist agents, he's also been a fervent Trumpist and generally fully onboard the "Qanon" movement.

Where is kim & xi.
Too well protected. A revolt in China is impossible, everyone is watched 24/7 by the most dystopian surveillance system ever designed. As for North Korea, it's propped up by both China and Russia; it would have crumbled long ago otherwise as the country is perpetually at the edge of starvation.

In Russia it would be possible but apparently the average Russian prefers risking death by being sent to a war zone over risking death by protesting against their God-Emperor Putin. Shrug. Only the Iranians are brave enough to fight against their tyrant.
 
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A lot of people would now know that Trump had been avoiding this kind of situation with Russia and so was Putin. Dollar started getting stronger during Trump regime even though there was Covid going on, 'Without Federal Bank Interest Hikes'. And now here we are at the brick of world war 3.

Only France and India have potential to be interlocutor otherwise no one can convince these people now.