Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[randomradio]

My God what delusion. The flanker series will fight against Raptor and the typhoon when they can't even win against Rafale.

The Russians got caught with their pants down 'cause of their slow modernisation. While it's pretty impressive what they managed to get in just a few years, but, yeah, the Flanker series cannot defeat Western air forces. Their investment into underwater forces has paid dividends, but their land and air forces are yet to be modernised.

Otoh, they spent a lot of money on their air force. If anything, while they may struggle to defeat Western fighter jets with their current tech, at least their air defences have reached a point where they can shoot down whatever fighters jets can drop on them.

Within 10 years, they will get to the point where they will be able to take on all of NATO in Europe on their own. They are busy breaking the balance of forces while Europe still sleeps. Only Poland has acted decisively.

 

[randomradio]

WVR? Super Flankers(30SM & 35S) would whoop your Raptors, Typhoons and Rafale without any doubt. BVR?

Well, since the case scenario is NATO attacking Russia so Flankers linked with Russian IADS fighting inside their own country would be potent to say the least.

Delusion? Russia is NOT Iraq it's a superpower. Go and fight it and you'll know why.

Nah, the Flanker family cannot. The tech base of the Flanker is at least half a generation to a generation behind Europe, never mind the US. Their air to air weapons are still very old, both BVR and WVR. They need 5-10 regiments of Su-57 with its accompanying drones to fight NATO. They started the war before they could modernise their air force.

 

[screambowl]

Ukraine has become Syria or Iraq type. War of attrition going on.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Nah, the Flanker family cannot. The tech base of the Flanker is at least half a generation to a generation behind Europe, never mind the US. Their air to air weapons are still very old, both BVR and WVR. They need 5-10 regiments of Su-57 with its accompanying drones to fight NATO. They started the war before they could modernise their air force.

Integrated with their own IADS they can thwart any NATO aggression. Air to Air weapons??

AFAIK, R77M with dual pulse motor and AESA seeker has gone into full production. It has 200km range and nothing USA has got now can touch it.

Europeans have got Meteor but very soon our SFDR project will give them their much needed R77PD to counter Meteor.

And you're underestimating the capabilites of SU30SM and SU35S. Our SU30MKI which is inferior to both trounced Eurofighter(the best fighter plane of Europe) both WVR and BVR at Exercise Indradhanush 2015. And yes even in LFE our Flankers dominated the EF-2000s.

Rafale is a problem for Ruskies, but it's still 4th gen and not stealth so they would counter it as well(also Gripen). Eagles and F16s no problem.

The biggest threat to VVS would be from F22 & F35. But Russians have prepared for years how to counter these silver bullets. Russian IADS is the best in the world and once SU30SMs and SU35s are data-linked with S400/500 along with Mig31BMs they will have a fighting chance. But SU57M is needed for dominance no doubt.

But here we are talking about a scenario where RuAF is fighting a defensive operation against hostile NATO within their turf for which the modernised Flankers should suffice..

 

[A Person]

Russian infiltration began in the mid 2000s. It didn't help them avoid the current situation because the Americans were in even before the Russians, a decade earlier. The Russians never had a chance.

LOL, that's the most absurd claim yet! What was this supposed American infiltration of the mid 1990s? A McDonald's?

It's all about who is sending the message. Since when did a journo's view become more important than the view on the ground?

Russian view on the ground.

'Kill everyone': Russian violence in Ukraine was strategic

ZDVYZHIVKA, Ukraine (AP) — Even by the standards of the important military officers who came and went in this tiny village, the man walking behind the Kamaz truck stood out.

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Stop weaseling.

There's no insurgency going on in occupied territories.

There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

Putin does not export democracy or claim he is the savior of humanity

Putin exports dictatorship, and he certainly claims to be saving humanity from the plague of woke nazi LGBTs and Jews.

yeah it is happening I see the azov mob laying siege to moscow.

The thing you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge is that this is a war of Russian aggression against Ukraine. Ukrainian victory does not mean Ukrainian invasion of Russia. It just means pushing Russian thugs and Nazis (Wagner, Rusich, Russian Imperial Movement, Sparta Battalion, Interbrigades, etc.) are getting kicked out of Ukraine. Nobody is gonna bsiege Moscow. Contrarily to what Russian propagandists claim in order to try to sell this stupid war, Russia is not threatened. Russia's survival is not at stake. The only thing that is threatened by a Russian defeat is Putin's ego.

 

[randomradio]

Integrated with their own IADS they can thwart any NATO aggression. Air to Air weapons??

AFAIK, R77M with dual pulse motor and AESA seeker has gone into full production. It has 200km range and nothing USA has got now can touch it.

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Europeans have got Meteor but very soon our SFDR project will give them their much needed R77PD to counter Meteor.

And you're underestimating the capabilites of SU30SM and SU35S. Our SU30MKI which is inferior to both trounced Eurofighter(the best fighter plane of Europe) both WVR and BVR at Exercise Indradhanush 2015. And yes even in LFE our Flankers dominated the EF-2000s.

Rafale is a problem for Ruskies, but it's still 4th gen and not stealth so they would counter it as well(also Gripen). Eagles and F16s no problem.

The biggest threat to VVS would be from F22 & F35. But Russians have prepared for years how to counter these silver bullets. Russian IADS is the best in the world and once SU30SMs and SU35s are data-linked with S400/500 along with Mig31BMs they will have a fighting chance. But SU57M is needed for dominance no doubt.

But here we are talking about a scenario where RuAF is fighting a defensive operation against hostile NATO within their turf for which the modernised Flankers should suffice..

Russia's air force is still WIP. Even the new weapons you are hearing about, like the R-77M, are yet to become fully operational. Right now, all they have done is get numbers, and it's not cutting edge, they are just updated Cold War designs. They are currently making do with weapons that are more than a decade old in NATO.

Plus, they don't have numbers. There are only some 100 odd Su-35s, but the Europeans have 500+ Typhoons and Rafales. So the Russians will need 100+ Su-57s to compete with them. Bring in the USAF and you will need 10 times that.

At this time, the most competitive technologies the Russians possess are SSNs and air defences. To improve the air force, they need Su-57 and on land they need Armata. Even then, with SSNs and air defences, they still need 5 more years to get the numbers necessary. Otoh, the air force and ground forces need 5 years just to start their next round of modernisation. A NATO-competitive Russia will only be seen after 2030.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Russia's air force is still WIP. Even the new weapons you are hearing about, like the R-77M, are yet to become fully operational. Right now, all they have done is get numbers, and it's not cutting edge, they are just updated Cold War designs. They are currently making do with weapons that are more than a decade old in NATO.

Plus, they don't have numbers. There are only some 100 odd Su-35s, but the Europeans have 500+ Typhoons and Rafales. So the Russians will need 100+ Su-57s to compete with them. Bring in the USAF and you will need 10 times that.

At this time, the most competitive technologies the Russians possess are SSNs and air defences. To improve the air force, they need Su-57 and on land they need Armata. Even then, with SSNs and air defences, they still need 5 more years to get the numbers necessary. Otoh, the air force and ground forces need 5 years just to start their next round of modernisation. A NATO-competitive Russia will only be seen after 2030.

100 plus SU35s along with 130+ SU30SM so it means over 230 4+ gen Flankers. They are also updating SU30SM with AL41F1S engines and IRBIS radars. VVS would order more SU30SM2s soon. They have also integrated R37M with these new gen Flankers. With kinematics of a Flanker launching it from 55k feet at Mach 1.5 would mean a range of 250 kms. Good enough to force NATO AWACS back.

About SU57, no doubt I absolutely agree with you.


BTW, what's your take on this analysis and kill exchange ration of SU35 vs F35:

 

[BMD]

What ground? The separatists lost ground until the war began. In fact the UAF was planning a major offensive before the Russians interfered last year.

Nope, every time a ceasefire and withdrawal was implemented, the rebels and Russian troops illegally inside Ukraine moved forwards. BTW, you do realise that the presence of Russian troops inside Ukraine is illegal regardless of Minsk right?

Fact. You defend their every action without question.

 

[BMD]

Our AF does not lie. Get this inside your head Mr. Yank.

Isn't vstol jockey a member of this air force that doesn't lie?

Yeah USA dominated so much so that they went ahead and added guns in their planes after their famous "missiles are enough" theory was destroyed by the Migs

Yeah, but F-4s still ended up with a 3:1 kill ratio for USAF F-4s and 6:1 for USN F4s.

That is against combined NATO threat. USA would do jack against Russia 1 vs 1 even though US conventional fire-power is unmatched in the world.

Nope, Russia is hopelessly incapable of taking on the USAF or US tanks. Seriously, most Russian tanks are still T-72 variants, these vs M1A2s is a non-contest. Russian artillery vs Excalibur and GMLRS - non-contest. Russian Navy - that's simply a f*cking joke. Handful of Su-57s and older flankers vs 1000 F-22s and F-35s, there's only one way that goes. Literally the only option Russia would have is launch nukes and lose or just lose.

 

[BMD]

100 plus SU35s along with 130+ SU30SM so it means over 230 4+ gen Flankers. They are also updating SU30SM with AL41F1S engines and IRBIS radars. VVS would order more SU30SM2s soon. They have also integrated R37M with these new gen Flankers. With kinematics of a Flanker launching it from 55k feet at Mach 1.5 would mean a range of 250 kms. Good enough to force NATO AWACS back.

About SU57, no doubt I absolutely agree with you.


BTW, what's your take on this analysis and kill exchange ration of SU35 vs F35:

Good look out-running an AMRAAM, you think the F-35 pilot isn't going to wait until it's inside assured kill range. No way would they see an F-35 from 60km away, especially not with jamming. That channel is just one big joke. In reality the Su-35s would probably crash into an apartment block shortly after take off due to a spares/maintenance issue.

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586715887411036160

Integrated with their own IADS they can thwart any NATO aggression. Air to Air weapons??

AFAIK, R77M with dual pulse motor and AESA seeker has gone into full production. It has 200km range and nothing USA has got now can touch it.

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Europeans have got Meteor but very soon our SFDR project will give them their much needed R77PD to counter Meteor.

And you're underestimating the capabilites of SU30SM and SU35S. Our SU30MKI which is inferior to both trounced Eurofighter(the best fighter plane of Europe) both WVR and BVR at Exercise Indradhanush 2015. And yes even in LFE our Flankers dominated the EF-2000s.

Rafale is a problem for Ruskies, but it's still 4th gen and not stealth so they would counter it as well(also Gripen). Eagles and F16s no problem.

The biggest threat to VVS would be from F22 & F35. But Russians have prepared for years how to counter these silver bullets. Russian IADS is the best in the world and once SU30SMs and SU35s are data-linked with S400/500 along with Mig31BMs they will have a fighting chance. But SU57M is needed for dominance no doubt.

But here we are talking about a scenario where RuAF is fighting a defensive operation against hostile NATO within their turf for which the modernised Flankers should suffice..

You've just seen Russian air defences made a mockery of by HIMARS and a few drones. How many drones, decoys and cruise missiles do you think there will be if NATO was fighting? There wouldn't even be enough SAMs to deal with it, even if they all had a 100% Pk.

 

[BMD]

Russian driving, makes you wonder what their flying is like.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586710249473708032

@Picdelamirand-oil - This true?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586709525863993344

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586704885235519490

 

[RASALGHUL]

In reality the Su-35s would probably crash into an apartment block shortly after take off due to a spares/maintenance issue.

LOL! Your trolling ability is sure increasing day by day.

 

[A Person]

What's interesting to see is the West have done far worse in many countries than Russia has done in Ukraine

Far worse than mass slaughter of bound and gagged civilians? Stop it with the bullshit. The West has committed its share of wrongdoings, but Russia is so much worse, principally due to a complete lack of accountability. When America commits war crimes, this causes domestic outrage and the culprits are punished; even if it's often a slap on the wrist. When Russia commits war crimes, nobody cares at home, because that's just accepted as normal. And if anyone did protest, they'd get 15 years of prison in a Siberian gulag for disrespecting the troops.

Fighter jets and submarines aren't really big enough factors to defeat Russia, the main impact has to come from ground forces.

You're just being silly. Just a few AGM-88 fitted on the Ukrainian MiG-29s were enough to severely impact Russian air defenses and allow Ukraine to use air support on the Kherson front. A thorough NATO intervention in Ukraine would begin by a SEAD campaign and then destruction of every single item of Russian arsenal that's where it's not supposed to be and at least as big as a car. NATO doctrine is all about blowing stuff up from the skies.

Means nothing. Russia is still a military superpower which no nation can conquer in a 1 vs 1 battle.

Despite all the delusional foolishness you are listening to every time you tune in to Radio Kremlin, nobody is attempting to conquer Russia. Because the aim is that nobody attempts to conquer anybody.

That is against combined NATO threat. USA would do jack against Russia 1 vs 1 even though US conventional fire-power is unmatched in the world.

Please be serious. USA alone has two times the population, 14 times the GDP, and 15 times the military spending as Russia. And Russia's military is getting a pummeling. Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

Russia has not been a superpower since the fall of the Soviet Union. The huge Soviet nuclear arsenal that they've kept is the only thing that allowed them to pretend to be bigger than they really are. The Russian budget is kept aloft only through export of raw products -- oil, gas, grain, timber. The textbook definition of an underdeveloped country. None of the heavy industries they've inherited from the Soviet Union have been able to compete; most of them just up and died. In reality, Russia is a failed country undermined by gangrenous corruption. And a failed country does not a superpower make.

 

[lcafanboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586706632675053569

 

[RASALGHUL]

Integrated with their own IADS they can thwart any NATO aggression. Air to Air weapons??

AFAIK, R77M with dual pulse motor and AESA seeker has gone into full production. It has 200km range and nothing USA has got now can touch it.

View attachment 25033

Europeans have got Meteor but very soon our SFDR project will give them their much needed R77PD to counter Meteor.

And you're underestimating the capabilites of SU30SM and SU35S. Our SU30MKI which is inferior to both trounced Eurofighter(the best fighter plane of Europe) both WVR and BVR at Exercise Indradhanush 2015. And yes even in LFE our Flankers dominated the EF-2000s.

Rafale is a problem for Ruskies, but it's still 4th gen and not stealth so they would counter it as well(also Gripen). Eagles and F16s no problem.

The biggest threat to VVS would be from F22 & F35. But Russians have prepared for years how to counter these silver bullets. Russian IADS is the best in the world and once SU30SMs and SU35s are data-linked with S400/500 along with Mig31BMs they will have a fighting chance. But SU57M is needed for dominance no doubt.

But here we are talking about a scenario where RuAF is fighting a defensive operation against hostile NATO within their turf for which the modernised Flankers should suffice..

you should hear what Putin has to say about this matter......

 

[A Person]

The Russians got caught with their pants down 'cause of their slow modernisation.

They did not "get caught". They decided to drunkenly stumble out of their house with their pants dow and a dirty butt, to try to seal their neighbor's washing machine.

toh, they spent a lot of money on their air force. If anything, while they may struggle to defeat Western fighter jets with their current tech, at least their air defences have reached a point where they can shoot down whatever fighters jets can drop on them.

Back to reality, where Ukrainian MiG-29 with AGM-88 HARM can devastate Russian air defenses with ease, and Russian shills are reduced to asking, "what air defense doing!?"

Within 10 years, they will get to the point where they will be able to take on all of NATO in Europe on their own. They are busy breaking the balance of forces while Europe still sleeps. Only Poland has acted decisively.

European part of NATO, not counting Turkey, still represents 3.6 times the population, 12 times the GDP, and 5.7 times the military spending of Russia.

 

[Rajput Lion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586706632675053569

Every time I see an S-70, I always think about our Ghatak programme. I wonder how long before our own stealth drone drops a 1000kgs bomb on Napaki madarsa/terrorist camp

It shall be a dream come true.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Good look out-running an AMRAAM, you think the F-35 pilot isn't going to wait until it's inside assured kill range. No way would they see an F-35 from 60km away, especially not with jamming. That channel is just one big joke. In reality the Su-35s would probably crash into an apartment block shortly after take off due to a spares/maintenance issue.

Our Sukhois dodged 5 AMRAAMs. So Russian Sukhois can do it as well.

Anyways, for those people who do it for living unlike few Western stooges here, have ranked Russian Air Force as the 2nd most powerful air force of the world behind USAF.

WDMAA world air force ranking 2022:

Link: Global Air Powers Ranking (2022)

So for all our Western trolls, reality is much different than your perception.