Ukraine - Russia Conflict

no no no this is just a minute fraction of NATO's power when raptors and rafales and typhoon begin flying over ukraine, when virginia class sub attack then you can say that NATO is actually making an effort.

The opposite. While the West has superior conventional capabilities, the bigger problem for Russia in the war is NATO surveillance, which Russia cannot attack but Ukraine can use without any problems. Normally, the Russians would have made outer space somewhat unusable and their air defences would have forced NATO to give the Russians a wider berth, which means extremely low intelligence collection.

Fighter jets and submarines aren't really big enough factors to defeat Russia, the main impact has to come from ground forces. So the real question is how quickly the West can mobilise against Russia on the ground and defeat them. Pretty much all of Russia's main capabilities exists on the ground, not in the air or at sea. China is dealing with the opposite problem.

Most important to least important in terms of conventional Western threat to Russia:
Intelligence - ground forces - air forces - navies

The first two are the most important, the last two are nowhere as much. The Russian navy exists only to play a defensive role and keep some regional SLOCs open. It's not meant to win wars, it's only meant to stay alive until the ground forces do all the work. The same with the air force, it only exists to protect and support the ground forces.

You will notice that it's the supplies of ground weapons and the intelligence that's keeping Ukraine in the game. So, right now, the Russians are dealing with the full brunt of NATO's intelligence collection, and there's nothing the Russians can do about it except whine and complain.
 
Nope, it specifically states 'foreign.' Nowhere does it state that Ukrainian forces should be removed from Ukraine, because that would just be f*cking stupid.

"Withdraw", not "removed".

UAF was supposed to withdraw to depth areas first.
 
western media will even shamelessly & brazenly accuse that putin himself personally dropped the bomb . 😂

We are literally being called Russian fanboys even though we are providing a neutral view of the whole situation. It's the "you're with us or against us" mentality at work here.

What's interesting to see is the West have done far worse in many countries than Russia has done in Ukraine and multiple times since after the Cold War. But only now they are waking up to the horrors of war, 'cause now the propaganda is targeting the other side. :ROFLMAO:
 
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When I explained you about the effect of the HIMARs on Russian logistics, you replied that they were too few in number and that mass was needed to be effective.... Yet the effect has been achieved.

HIMARS only killed ammo dumps, not the ground forces. UAF need to kill heavy weapons to finish the war and that's not happening in the quantities required.

The Russian offensive stopped after taking over Luhansk because they started running out of troops necessary to conduct an offensive. How tired do you think these guys are without relief? They have been fighting constantly for 7 months now. It's not possible to fight without troop rotation. Forget troop rotation, they don't even have the numbers necessary to take and hold new areas.

I had pointed this out before, they should have used the momentum of the Luhansk victory to mobilise immediately. Had they done that, the Russians could have launched a major counteroffensive post UAF's offensive in Aug/Sept, that's October. By the time winter set in, UAF would have been building new defences at the river. So this is one thing I will give Baev, simply because it's also my opinion. But everything else he said is pretty much nonsense. Putin's not under threat of replacement, and civilian protests, both inside and outside Russia, are useless.
 
you're with us or against us" mentality at work here.
yup thats the problem they have , they end up creating enemies from thin air. For countries outside europe whether it is Indonesia or India or brazil they have no stake nor take any sides but west keeps pushing for their involvement. At the rate west fights war , you will end up creating enemies out of countries which you dint know even existed.
 
joker is saying russians are not retreating from kherson while the boys are becoming delirious about its impending capture.

 
"Withdraw", not "removed".

UAF was supposed to withdraw to depth areas first.
They did, and the rebels took ground each time. Russia lied and lied and lied, and that's why it took a court case in Russia for there to be an admission that they were in Ukraine.


You know at this point that Putin lies about everything, so the fact you are still defending him just makes you a liar too.
 
yeah , every one knows who is the biggest supporters of dicatorships in the world, does saudi or pinochet ring a bell? who is the biggest trader with communist dictator china or begged for oil from venezuela ? ppl in glass houses should not throw stones at others.
Saudi Arabia is a monarchy not a dictatorship. Similar in some ways but different. The Saud family liberated the country from the Ottoman Empire in the first place. As for Pinochet, 50 years ago during the Cold War. The USSR was very much trying to conquer the world at the time.

Everyone trades with China, even India. The West is the largest trader with a lot of places simply due to scale of economy. It's not like Russia doesn't trade with them too.

Nearly all Russia's friends are dictatorships, with India being the exception due to being driven by hatred for the West rather than rationality. The West is characterised by democracies and better rights, that's an inescapable fact, not a glasshouse. People leave Russia for the EU/US, not the other way round (unless they're fleeing the law). The fact is that you don't have a clue what Russia is about, because you've never shared a border with them or lived there, you've created an imaginary romantic version that exists only inside your head.
 
yup thats the problem they have , they end up creating enemies from thin air. For countries outside europe whether it is Indonesia or India or brazil they have no stake nor take any sides but west keeps pushing for their involvement. At the rate west fights war , you will end up creating enemies out of countries which you dint know even existed.

The West have created an echo chamber for their people. The Russians and Chinese have of course created bigger echo chambers for their own people.

Really, the simplest way of recognising that you are in an Echo Chamber is to ask yourself “Am I agreeing a 100 per cent with everything I see?”, if yes then you have your answer.

So both sides are sitting in echo chambers.
 
😂 yeah it is happening I see the azov mob laying siege to moscow.
I see substations targeted 65km south of Moscow, fires in Moscow, massive depletion of Russian military assets.
Putin does not export democracy or claim he is the savior of humanity it si the west which practices chicanery , why dont you ask them?
He's claimed to be saving the world from Nazis, US bioweapons etc. Guy thinks he's the Messiah.

yeah thats what west keeps telling & fooling ppl all the time, ww2 was more about a fight between imperialist powers for control of colonies & resources. when the west won they wrote the history whitewashing their own atrocities and putting all the blame on germany. Guess what then they started cold war to fight against russia who fought along with them to defeat germany. Some of the nazis went to nasa , one become head of UN and another become NATO head, so much for fighting nazism.
To some extent there were no 'good guys' in WWII as regards countries but there was bad and there was a hell of a lot worse than bad. Soviets, Nazis and Imperial Japan fell into the latter category, and Putin still falls into that category 77 years later.
Really, the simplest way of recognising that you are in an Echo Chamber is to ask yourself “Am I agreeing a 100 per cent with everything I see?”, if yes then you have your answer.
Easy answer, 'no'. I read complete BS on Twitter and this forum every day.
 
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no no no this is just a minute fraction of NATO's power when raptors and rafales and typhoon begin flying over ukraine, when virginia class sub attack then you can say that NATO is actually making an effort.
Lol, all the Western nations are openly supporting Ukraine with both men and machines, ISR and what not.

If your Raptors, Typhoons and Rafales attack Russia then don't worry SU57, SU35 and SU30SM2 would blow them out of the sky. And then get ready to eat RS-28s barrage all over Europe and US.

If Russia were so weak as you people are trying to project then West would have directly put them to rest rather than trying to fight them and weaken them till the last Ukrainian.

Don't rejoice until the war is over.
 
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Lol, all the Western nations are openly supporting Ukraine with both men and machines, ISR and what not.

If your Raptors, Typhoons and Rafales attack Russia then don't worry SU57, SU35 and SU30SM2 would blow them out of the sky. And then get ready to eat RS-28s barrage all over Europe and US.

If Russia were so weak as you people are trying to project then West would have directly put them to rest rather than trying to fight them and weaken them till the last Ukrainian.

Don't rejoice until the war is over.
Sure Russia should get ready for trident d5 too.
Lol, all the Western nations are openly supporting Ukraine with both men and machines, ISR and what not.

If your Raptors, Typhoons and Rafales attack Russia then don't worry SU57, SU35 and SU30SM2 would blow them out of the sky. And then get ready to eat RS-28s barrage all over Europe and US.

If Russia were so weak as you people are trying to project then West would have directly put them to rest rather than trying to fight them and weaken them till the last Ukrainian.

Don't rejoice until the war is over.
My God what delusion. The flanker series will fight against Raptor and the typhoon when they can't even win against Rafael.
 
Lol, all the Western nations are openly supporting Ukraine with both men and machines, ISR and what not.

If your Raptors, Typhoons and Rafales attack Russia then don't worry SU57, SU35 and SU30SM2 would blow them out of the sky. And then get ready to eat RS-28s barrage all over Europe and US.

If Russia were so weak as you people are trying to project then West would have directly put them to rest rather than trying to fight them and weaken them till the last Ukrainian.

Don't rejoice until the war is over.
My God what delusion. The flanker series will fight against Raptor and the typhoon when they can't even win against Rafale.
 
If Russia were so weak as you people are trying to project then West would have directly put them to rest rather than trying to fight them and weaken them till the last Ukrainian.
thats quite obvious. of course smart boys will claim they are the most powerful & peaceful specimens that have ever lived on this earth hence they dont want to fight russia. 🤣