Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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It required Ukraine to move first, like cease attacking Donbas and withdrawing.
Nope. The separatists started off by dipping into UAF supplies. You forget that Donbas is at the Russian border and had a sizable weapons inventory.
The Russians came in with supplies much later.
Russian infiltration began in the mid 2000s. It didn't help them avoid the current situation because the Americans were in even before the Russians, a decade earlier. The Russians never had a chance.
It's a normal view. Only you are surprised.
What the young Ukr soldier thinks is the way his entire unit thinks, ie, the ground situation. What the propagandist said was basically him doing his job. Otoh, you are supposed to apply critical thinking and fight against it for the latter, but be very worried about the former. The former is worse than the latter.
It's all about who is sending the message. Since when did a journo's view become more important than the view on the ground?
As per Ukraine, the partisans are part of the UAF. There's no insurgency going on in occupied territories. Their main job is to kill pro-Russian civilians. Yeah, nice champions.
what prevents NATO mob from doing it? oh sorry they can only bomb libya or iraq not russia. The mob bullies are so weak they keep crying abt human rights, carry out sneak attacks against unguarded oil pipelines, when the nazi mob was given opportunity to export grains safely they attacked other ships in vicinity.Nazi mob of 40 or odd countries with so many military resources like hundreds of satellites & recon aircraft still cant handle one country ? what a shame, if cowardice has a name then it must be called NATO.
No. Wrong.
Why don't you f*cking read them?
Minsk agreements - Wikipedia
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Russian court says country's soldiers in Ukraine – DW – 12/16/2021
A Russian court has acknowledged the country's armed forces are present in the eastern part of Ukraine. The Kremlin has persistently denied the presence of Russian forces in the Donbas region.www.dw.com
Some 12,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels: U.S. commander
The U.S. military estimates around 12,000 Russian soldiers are supporting pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, U.S. Army Europe Commander Ben Hodges said on Tuesday.www.reuters.com
The Russians never complied with their own agreement, they were already in breach before they even signed it.
Yes, Mr. Didn't Read Minsk Agreement, But Tells Everybody else to.
Exactly, and the contingency plan for the invasion of Crimea and a separatist war was in place before the revolution happened, before Yanukovych was even elected.
And Yanukovych didn't leave until 22nd February 2014. Crimea was invaded on 20th of February 2014.
Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia
Putin said the recapture of Donbass was inevitable from the moment the revolution happened, "it was just a matter of choosing the right time." He said this himself in interview earlier this year. Hence, the Minsk Agreement was just a time-buyer, he never intended it to work.
This is the same argument as the one Pakistan says about Kashmir.
UAF needed to withdraw before the Russians could. If you stay, the other party cannot withdraw either.
Nope, it specifically states 'foreign.' Nowhere does it state that Ukrainian forces should be removed from Ukraine, because that would just be f*cking stupid.
The real answer is if someone uses a dirty bomb inside Ukraine, we won't know who's the culprit without proper proof or logic.
Pro-West guy will blame Russia. Pro-Russian guy will blame the West. Nothing new.
The West's story will be simple. If the bomb explodes in Ukr territory, the Russians did it. If the bomb explodes in occupied territory, the Russians did it. If the bomb destroys UAF HQ, the Russians did it. If the bomb destroys Russian HQ, the Russians blew themselves up 'cause they are a joke. It will be one of these 4 if it happens.
russia's survival irrespective of all the rights & wrongs is very much needed for the balance of power in the world not just for India. If russia falls there is nothing to prevent the sauron and their nazi imperialists from running all over the planet.
western media will even shamelessly & brazenly accuse that putin himself personally dropped the bomb .
Ukraine is doing a good job of demilitarising Russia. Putin is so weak that he cannot fight Ukraine, so he starves Africa instead.
Nazi mob of 40 or odd countries with so many military resources like hundreds of satellites & recon aircraft still cant handle one country ? what a shame, if cowardice has a name then it must be called NATO.
Nazi mob? Because the 3rd Reich was well known for helping defend European democracies wasn't it?
Putin is Zavulon, even looks like him.russia's survival irrespective of all the rights & wrongs is very much needed for the balance of power in the world not just for India. If russia falls there is nothing to prevent the sauron and their nazi imperialists from running all over the planet.
western media will even shamelessly & brazenly accuse that putin himself personally dropped the bomb .
You keep talking about power balance, what the hell does that look like to you? Dictatorships murdering loads of people so they can stack the bodies on a scale?
Your logic - defend Russia and make excuses regardless of the facts.
Even their own generals are ending up dead in rivers. Exactly how obvious does it need to be for you?
yeah it is happening I see the azov mob laying siege to moscow. Putin does not export democracy or claim he is the savior of humanity it si the west which practices chicanery , why dont you ask them?yeah thats what west keeps telling & fooling ppl all the time, ww2 was more about a fight between imperialist powers for control of colonies & resources. when the west won they wrote the history whitewashing their own atrocities and putting all the blame on germany. Guess what then they started cold war to fight against russia who fought along with them to defeat germany. Some of the nazis went to nasa , one become head of UN and another become NATO head, so much for fighting nazism.Nazi mob? Because the 3rd Reich was well known for helping defend European democracies wasn't it?
Real reason. The sudden presence of new troops on the Russian side will increase the risk of a UAF offensive failing. The new troops act both as deterrence and a sponge for UAF's dwindling ammo inventory.
Nothing of the sort will happen. Putin will stay in power, the elites will continue supporting him, the RAF will reform and come back in strength with new weapons built over the winter. By summer we will see a major offensive from the Russian side. But I will not be surprised if something happens by the end of Nov. The Ardennes Offensive happened in December after all.
When I explained you about the effect of the HIMARs on Russian logistics, you replied that they were too few in number and that mass was needed to be effective.... Yet the effect has been achieved.
russia is even return dead bodies & prisoners back. It is really ridiculous these ppl who slander & spread malicious propaganda , warmongerers deserve no such thing.
US on the other hand does this,
US on the other hand does this,