Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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The fact that poverty and misery is the only prospect in life for Russians because all the wealth is sucked dry by Putin to be used to build him gigantic palaces in Sochi and fund a stupid war because he wants to pretend he's Peter the Great is now officially used by Russian propaganda as a reason for Russians to go die stupidly in Ukraine. Because the life of a Russian man is worth less than an old Lada, or a pack of sausages.
In both cases, the basic plot of the propaganda recruitment ad is "Russians, you live in poverty, because all the money is going to the war, so just enlist if you want to see some money, lol, assuming you don't get killed cuz the dead don't get paid, suckers!"
They know they can't use any other pretext than the financial incentive. They know they can't convince people to leave civilian life behind except by pointing out that Russian civilian life is pure misery.
Oh, and for those people who like to have Nazis pointed out:
See, in Ukraine you can find a few Nazis in irrelevant things like football hooligan clubs. In Russia, the Nazis are found in the Kremlin and at the head of all of the important Russian state organizations.
In both cases, the basic plot of the propaganda recruitment ad is "Russians, you live in poverty, because all the money is going to the war, so just enlist if you want to see some money, lol, assuming you don't get killed cuz the dead don't get paid, suckers!"
They know they can't use any other pretext than the financial incentive. They know they can't convince people to leave civilian life behind except by pointing out that Russian civilian life is pure misery.
Oh, and for those people who like to have Nazis pointed out:
See, in Ukraine you can find a few Nazis in irrelevant things like football hooligan clubs. In Russia, the Nazis are found in the Kremlin and at the head of all of the important Russian state organizations.
To help you understand: Russia is to Europe what Pakistan is to India. A hostile military dictatorship that is solely driven by spite, jealousy, and delusions of grandeur; and is thankfully held back by its stratospheric levels of corruption and incompetence.
Also, just like Pakistan, Russia is China's little bitch.
Also, just like Pakistan, Russia is China's little bitch.
What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma
KIEV (Reuters) - During his time on the board of one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Hunter Biden, the son of former U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden, was regarded as a helpful non-executive director with a powerful name, according to people familiar with Biden’s role at the company.
I stopped reading here:What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma
KIEV (Reuters) - During his time on the board of one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Hunter Biden, the son of former U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden, was regarded as a helpful non-executive director with a powerful name, according to people familiar with Biden’s role at the company.www.reuters.com
".. unsupported accusations by U.S. President Donald Trump that..."
Ukrainians were gonna cut the Russians off from their main base in the Black Sea at Sevastopol post the coup.
Cuba didn't do anything to the US either, but we still got the Cuban missile crisis, along with attempts to invade Cuba unlawfully.
The Balkans still has problem areas, those regions will flare up as long as Russia actively deals with the Caucasus and the Baltics. It won't even have anything to do with Russia.
If Russia had began by negotiating continued access to Sevastopol if would have got it without any sanctions, and the EU would fully have supported them in that negotiation for the sake of keeping the peace. That was never the issue, don't kid yourself.
If NATO placed Pershing IIs or French S3 missiles in Sumy then it would be equivalent, otherwise it isn't. Not that Ukraine was particularly close to getting into NATO anyway, or the EU (which is what it was really about).
It always has everything to do with Russia. The Balkans is fine, its only problem was that it was polluted with rich Russian Tsarists fleeing the revolution in the early 1920s. And Russia is too busy dealing with Ukraine to pose problems elsewhere. In the Baltics Russian passports have been made invalid and procedures put in place for people to get new passports for the Baltic countries, so that there is no possibility of Russia trying to pull a Ukraine there.
What would India do if Russia cut off their oil and weapons and together with China excluded them from BRICS BTW?
The population difference isn't much. Both are aging populations with a skewed sex ratio. It's about money. To militarise, the EU has to take money away from its population, whereas Russia has to take money away from its oligarchs. Russia's future earning potential is high because a lot of countries in the TW will enter a China-esque construction boom over the next few years, especially India and Indonesia.
That was made up by the West themselves.
The SU mistake was not signing a treaty to create buffer states between Russia and NATO. Would have solved us this headache.
Because it will be far too disconnected with Russia to blame them. It won't be as blatant and open like what Pakistan is doing against India. The Russians will use proxies to wage a proxy war. Take Ukraine itself. Assuming Russia's offensive works and they take over Odessa and everything else west of the river before the war ends, we are gonna have a lot of pissed off Ukrainian neo-Nazis walking about blaming the EU for their loss.
Many are already in the EU. Plenty of sleeper cells all over the place. All those immigrants the EU has taken in, you only need a few thousand from those millions to create major problems for many years.
No, it was guaranteed to happen after the removal of Donbas from Ukraine's parliament.
How Likely Is the Cancellation of the Gas-for-Fleet Pact Between Ukraine and Russia?
By Maskym Bugriy On June 19, the Ukrainian parliament (Rada) failed to approve a draft law on the denunciation (abrogation) of the “Kharkiv Accord,” which President Viktor Yanukovych’s government signed with Russia in April 2010. The Kharkiv Accord allowed for the continuation of the stationing...
They are already in Poland.
Time will tell.
Why would Russia do that? Especially with a country they see as a potential new enemy.
Russia will use their relations with India to keep a check on China. This is how weaker powers use relations with others to balance relations with stronger powers.
That was under the Yanukovych government, and failing to approve a deal once doesn't mean that it won't get approved eventually with a slight tweak to the terms. The EU would have made it happen for the sake of peace, believe me, they even largely overlooked Russia invading Crimea FFS and the Donbass. And it was Russia who removed Donbass from Ukraine's parliament by invading, making it impossible to hold acceptably monitored voting there - you've see what Russia's idea of a fair vote is.No, it was guaranteed to happen after the removal of Donbas from Ukraine's parliament.
How Likely Is the Cancellation of the Gas-for-Fleet Pact Between Ukraine and Russia?
By Maskym Bugriy On June 19, the Ukrainian parliament (Rada) failed to approve a draft law on the denunciation (abrogation) of the “Kharkiv Accord,” which President Viktor Yanukovych’s government signed with Russia in April 2010. The Kharkiv Accord allowed for the continuation of the stationing...jamestown.org
What is? The missile I mentioned no longer even exist. The only missiles in Poland are SM-3s, which are defensive weapons.
It already has told, Serbia is trying to join the EU like the Baltics. And if Russia tries anything in the Baltics it will be in a hot war with NATO from day 1. Putin won't have to complain about NATO support because he will be getting 1,000 cruise missiles per day until he either desists or is desisted. We won't even try negotiate with him in such a situation, we will actively attempt kill him wherever he pops his head up.
Your view is flawed, you could make assumptions like that in nearly all cases, but that wasn't my question. What would you do if they did?
They can keep China in check with their energy supplies and nuclear arsenal. You are surplus to requirements.