Ukraine - Russia Conflict

That was under the Yanukovych government, and failing to approve a deal once doesn't mean that it won't get approved eventually with a slight tweak to the terms. The EU would have made it happen for the sake of peace, believe me, they even largely overlooked Russia invading Crimea FFS and the Donbass. And it was Russia who removed Donbass from Ukraine's parliament by invading, making it impossible to hold acceptably monitored voting there - you've see what Russia's idea of a fair vote is.

Lol, with Donbas gone, there's no way that lease would have survived. Get real.

What is? The missile I mentioned no longer even exist. The only missiles in Poland are SM-3s, which are defensive weapons.

Lol.

It already has told, Serbia is trying to join the EU like the Baltics. And if Russia tries anything in the Baltics it will be in a hot war with NATO from day 1. Putin won't have to complain about NATO support because he will be getting 1,000 cruise missiles per day until he either desists or is desisted. We won't even try negotiate with him in such a situation, we will actively attempt kill him wherever he pops his head up.

It's impossible to say how things will pan out. Serbia is expected to join the EU in 2025. And this is not guaranteed.

Anyway it has nothing to do with countries themselves, it's about how the security environment is shaped that will allow sleeper cells to thrive and operate. It will be like trying to blame Russia for school shootings in the US. It takes only a few motivated individuals to screw up your day. What the Russians will leverage is the faultlines within Europe that will help create a market for violence. Guns and explosives will be supplied by proxies, like the mafia, human traffickers etc, all funded via a hawala type system.

Your view is flawed, you could make assumptions like that in nearly all cases, but that wasn't my question. What would you do if they did?

While it's unlikely to happen, we will just switch over to other suppliers. But I gotta say, only nonsensical Western propaganda believes Russia and China are friends.

They can keep China in check with their energy supplies and nuclear arsenal. You are surplus to requirements.

That's just the Russians shooting themselves in the foot. In case problems arise in China, then that will cripple Russia as well.

Apart from India being a more important long term market for Russia, given China will transition to electricity faster than anyone else, India is more important for Russia to ensure its own security. So Russia will choose India over China.

Russia's advantage over China is only temporary, maybe until the end of the decade. Post that, China will not only become less dependent on Russia, but will also start staking their claim in Siberia.
 
Lol, with Donbas gone, there's no way that lease would have survived. Get real.
That again is Russia's fault for removing two of their biggest supporters from the Ukrainian parliament by annexing one and beginning a separatist war in the other.
Fact, SM-3s can only shoot down missiles targeting Europe, the cannot destroy anything in Russia, let alone nuke it.

Are you seriously equating this:

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with this:

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In what world does a KKV equal a 2.42MT nuclear warhead?
It's impossible to say how things will pan out. Serbia is expected to join the EU in 2025. And this is not guaranteed.
Economics is more important to rational democracies, because the electorate keeps them rational. Only dictatorships strive for irrationality (except where religious mobs are involved).
Anyway it has nothing to do with countries themselves, it's about how the security environment is shaped that will allow sleeper cells to thrive and operate. It will be like trying to blame Russia for school shootings in the US. It takes only a few motivated individuals to screw up your day. What the Russians will leverage is the faultlines within Europe that will help create a market for violence. Guns and explosives will be supplied by proxies, like the mafia, human traffickers etc, all funded via a hawala type system.
Far less chance of that happening once Serbia is intelligence-sharing inside the EU. Plus, security agencies are absolutely wired for anything that smells Russian right now. But at least you're inadvertently admitting to the type of people your friends are.
While it's unlikely to happen, we will just switch over to other suppliers. But I gotta say, only nonsensical Western propaganda believes Russia and China are friends.
They're more friends than you think they are. Don't forget Russia backed the CCP's revolution in the first place, they're the reason it's a dictatorship today. Without the USSR, the CCP would not even exist and China would be a democracy together with Taiwan as an integral part of it.
That's just the Russians shooting themselves in the foot. In case problems arise in China, then that will cripple Russia as well.
Russia can sell its oil elsewhere, assuming sanctions are gone by that point.
Apart from India being a more important long term market for Russia, given China will transition to electricity faster than anyone else, India is more important for Russia to ensure its own security. So Russia will choose India over China.
How do you imagine that? China shares a border with them and has a stronger economy and military than India. From their point of view it is like comparing India to Pakistan, only you are Pakistan in this case.
Russia's advantage over China is only temporary, maybe until the end of the decade. Post that, China will not only become less dependent on Russia, but will also start staking their claim in Siberia.
Competing on nuclear warhead count is pointless once you reach a certain point. The Cold War was stupid in that respect, both sides had at least 5 times more warheads than they really needed for a deterrent. 3,000 is enough, Russia can always deploy more. NATO and Russian missiles are only about 30-40% loaded right now. They can go from ~1,700 to ~4,000 warheads with a snap of the fingers.
 
This war has proved why Russia is a true super power and why West fears it. The way their MIC keeps on churning artillery rounds and tactical missiles is simply astounding.

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According to RUSI analyst Justin Bronk, Mig-31 with R-37M has proved extremely effective. And according to Ukrainian pilot "Juice", Russians are firing 5/6 R-37Ms every day. Even R-77-1 has been praised. Su-35S and Su-30SM are described as two most difficult fighters for UAF to deal with.

Russian air force may have performed better than what the West has been trying to portray! What's your opinion regarding RuAF's performance in this war?
 
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And according to Ukrainian pilot "Juice", Russians are firing 5/6 R-37Ms every day. Even R-77-1 has been praised. Su-35S and Su-30SM are described as two most difficult fighters for UAF to deal with.
They can't be that effective if they've been firing 5-6 a day for 300 days and the Ukrainian AF started with only 300 aircraft and is still flying.
 
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They can't be that effective if they've been firing 5-6 a day for 300 days and the Ukrainian AF started with only 300 aircraft and is still flying.
They are achieving "soft kill" by forcing Ukrainian fighter planes to turn tail and run. Mig-31 with R-37M is terrorizing UAF and its pilots.

Fired from within 80 miles(128 kms) it's extremely effective. But Russian jets are firing it from 200miles(320kms) just to force Ukrainian Migs and Sukhois to not fire HARMs towards their AD positions.
 
So this is the second time Engel's has been hit you'd think they would be protecting that base with CAP and IADS I mean it is after all strategic base with nuke carrying bombers... just saying. :rolleyes:
 
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They are achieving "soft kill" by forcing Ukrainian fighter planes to turn tail and run. Mig-31 with R-37M is terrorizing UAF and its pilots.
That's called missing. They send one plane out to circle a few times, get the Russians to waste their AAMs and then the other planes do the mission.
Fired from within 80 miles(128 kms) it's extremely effective. But Russian jets are firing it from 200miles(320kms) just to force Ukrainian Migs and Sukhois to not fire HARMs towards their AD positions.
Excellent, they're using a brand new 600kg active homing missile to prevent an old 300kg passive-homing missile.
 
The Armed Forces of Ukraine use kamikaze drones to attack the positions of Russian troops / PMC " #Wagner " near Bakhmut in the Donetsk region. #Ukraine ( https:// twitter.com/i/status/16070 20414991040513 … ). A bulldozer tractor driver from the village of Dvurechye, Kamchatka, was killed - Air Force Private #Russia Vyacheslav Dmitrievich Zhivochenkov, born in 2002.

Progress of Wagner at Bakhmut.

Liquidated Wagnerites under Experienced. Donetsk region

 
That again is Russia's fault for removing two of their biggest supporters from the Ukrainian parliament by annexing one and beginning a separatist war in the other.

Fact, SM-3s can only shoot down missiles targeting Europe, the cannot destroy anything in Russia, let alone nuke it.

Are you seriously equating this:

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with this:

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In what world does a KKV equal a 2.42MT nuclear warhead?

As long as there are TELs, missiles of a specific type can be designed and made available for use as a tactical nuke. These nukes can very quickly and preemptively attack Russian border positions, like C&C nodes and ammo dumps.

But at least you're inadvertently admitting to the type of people your friends are.

CIA created Islamic terrorism in the first place.

They're more friends than you think they are. Don't forget Russia backed the CCP's revolution in the first place, they're the reason it's a dictatorship today. Without the USSR, the CCP would not even exist and China would be a democracy together with Taiwan as an integral part of it.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Russia can sell its oil elsewhere, assuming sanctions are gone by that point.

How do you imagine that? China shares a border with them and has a stronger economy and military than India. From their point of view it is like comparing India to Pakistan, only you are Pakistan in this case.

China will transition to using electricity faster than anyone else, which means they will become less reliant on fossil fuels. Plus China's slowing down.

But India will need fossil fuels for much longer, which means there will be growth in our consumption. And we will also see a massive construction boom a la China, so we will have greater need for resources.

Competing on nuclear warhead count is pointless once you reach a certain point. The Cold War was stupid in that respect, both sides had at least 5 times more warheads than they really needed for a deterrent. 3,000 is enough, Russia can always deploy more. NATO and Russian missiles are only about 30-40% loaded right now. They can go from ~1,700 to ~4,000 warheads with a snap of the fingers.

I wasn't talking about nukes.
 
This war has proved why Russia is a true super power and why West fears it. The way their MIC keeps on churning artillery rounds and tactical missiles is simply astounding.

@randomradio

According to RUSI analyst Justin Bronk, Mig-31 with R-37M has proved extremely effective. And according to Ukrainian pilot "Juice", Russians are firing 5/6 R-37Ms every day. Even R-77-1 has been praised. Su-35S and Su-30SM are described as two most difficult fighters for UAF to deal with.

Russian air force may have performed better than what the West has been trying to portray! What's your opinion regarding RuAF's performance in this war?

The UAF is way too weak for effective comparison. And the Russians would rather hide their capabilities than show off to NATO. Had the UAF been given enough Patriots and advanced jets right from the beginning, like AESA-equipped F-15Cs, they would have avoided war.

Russia's next gen capabilities are still WIP. Today's Russia, particularly fighter jets, are basically all Cold War-era. Only their S-400/500s stick out.
 
That's called missing. They send one plane out to circle a few times, get the Russians to waste their AAMs and then the other planes do the mission.

Excellent, they're using a brand new 600kg active homing missile to prevent an old 300kg passive-homing missile.
Once again you're wrong and your bias is showing. Read this excerpt:

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Also the sorties Su-35S and other Russian planes can generate is praised too by your fellow Brit analysts.

Link to the whole report: https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air-War-Ukraine-web-final.pdf
The UAF is way too weak for effective comparison. And the Russians would rather hide their capabilities than show off to NATO. Had the UAF been given enough Patriots and advanced jets right from the beginning, like AESA-equipped F-15Cs, they would have avoided war.

Russia's next gen capabilities are still WIP. Today's Russia, particularly fighter jets, are basically all Cold War-era. Only their S-400/500s stick out.
Here is the link to the whole report:

It gives us some idea about effectiveness of their fighters, new air to air missiles and sortie generations over a long conflict.
 
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