Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Nah. As per Prigozhin, Donbas will take a minimum of 1.5 years and all the territories east of the Dnieper will take 3 years. Must be underpromising, but any conclusion is years away.
For the end to just begin, the Russians have to take the 3rd line, Slovyansk to Kostiantynivka, marked in red.
Right now, after Bakhmut (1), the next target will be Chasiv Yar (2). Post that, until the 3rd line, the red line, everything is just flat lands, which will allow the Russians to directly threaten Kostiantynivka. Next would be Pokrovsk (4). Once 4 falls, Donbas can be conisdered captured.
Of course, in order to capture the cities along the red line, the Russians will also have to start a new offensive in the Lyman and Siversk regions, which are in the northeast and east resply of Slovyansk.
Also, the one city on the top left corner of the map called Barvinkove also needs to be captured, it's a rail line that can supply to Slovyansk.
For any decisive victory, it's a long road ahead.
In any case, the Russians are not prioritising taking land, they are focused on killing the UAF.
They will just use it differently, without exposing themselves in a head-on collision with the Russians. So low altitude support and interdiction missions and standoff strike.
Oh sure, a 4.3 ton ballistic missile with a manoeuvrable RV and a radar in the nose, plus electronic decoys is only $1m.Do you even believe the things you say? <-Serious question.
What's so surprising about that? The Iskander-M costs $800,000. The Kinzhal is just a modified Iskander M. The Kaliber is more sophisticated and costs $1M. Tomahawk costs $2M. The Kinzhal has always been hypersonic on the cheap.
I think now the goal is do drag the conflict and make it a big money pit for nato. Russia will use wagner & allied groups to grind the ukraine and ukraine will keep asking for support from west.
Wagner has fulfilled its contract and is quickly pulling out/getting the hell out of Bakhmut because they know what is coming.
So where are Russia's shots of the damage to the Patriots.
Right, so now you're arguing that a simple image from a satellite is too top secret for Russia to disclose, but they're happy for the innards of all their missiles to be discovered and analysed. Why are there no shots from private companies even?
The simplest answer is usually correct, i.e. there was destruction of a battery by Kinzhals.
As regards Kinzhals costing $1m, who the hell are you kidding? Not even yourselves I would bet.
Don't change what he said. He said 6 months for Donetsk and Luhansk and 1.5-2 years for everything east of the Dnieper, i.e. Zaporizhzhia and Kherson too. Instead Bakhmut took 6 months.
All your assertions are nonsense. Iskander-M costs $3m, and is a single piece missile, Kinzhal is far more complicated, the RV separates and there's a radar in the nose. Not to mention that they had to turn an interceptor into a non-interceptor that can only carry Kinzhals just to use it, which has a separate, yet absolutely necessary cost associated with it too that isn't even included in the Kinzhal's $10m price tag. As for Kalibr's, India must have got ripped off then.
You won't find your figures quoted anywhere.It's Russia that's exceeded their target budget deficit for the whole of 2023 in Q1.
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All your assertions are nonsense. Iskander-M costs $3m, and is a single piece missile, Kinzhal is far more complicated, the RV separates and there's a radar in the nose. Not to mention that they had to turn an interceptor into a non-interceptor that can only carry Kinzhals just to use it, which has a separate, yet absolutely necessary cost associated with it too that isn't even included in the Kinzhal's $10m price tag. As for Kalibr's, India must have got ripped off then.
It's Russia that's exceeded their target budget deficit for the whole of 2023 in Q1.
Western numbers for Russian costs are ridiculous, all made up. Help yourself to actual costs in rubles and convert them yourself.
When a Su-30SM costs $20M, how on earth will a Kinzhal cost $10M?
And converting a jet to carry a new weapon isn't that expensive. We did that with MKI for Brahmos-A.
I think NATO will be happy spending money on this. They are fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian. That works for them. The war has also been quite cheap from their perspective. If the cost is merely Ukrainian lives, who cares...
Apparently, the life expectancy of a newly trained Ukrainian soldier is now calculated in hours. I saw a video a month ago where a Ukrainian soldier was claiming these new recruits get training ony for 3 days before being sent to the front. And they are fighting the Wagners, who are far more experienced than the Russian Army.
Once the Bakhmut offensive is done, the Russians will prepare for Ukraine's spring offensive. Wagners will be placed in defensive locations.
Overall, the Russians have claimed taking Bakhmut will free up 80000 troops.
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A short episode of an oncoming tank battle has been published, a Russian T-80BVM tank, under the command of a fighter with the call sign Altai, with a Ukrainian tank, presumably T-64. Reportedly, a Ukrainian tank leaving the forest belt was attacked by a T-80BVM tank. The video shows part of the battle, where the T-80BVM tank fires a second time at a Ukrainian tank and undermines its ammunition load.
A short episode of an oncoming tank battle has been published, a Russian T-80BVM tank, under the command of a fighter with the call sign Altai, with a Ukrainian tank, presumably T-64. Reportedly, a Ukrainian tank leaving the forest belt was attacked by a T-80BVM tank. The video shows part of the battle, where the T-80BVM tank fires a second time at a Ukrainian tank and undermines its ammunition load.