Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[BMD]

Pretty much all countries outside the West agree with what he said though.

That must be why 141 vs 5 condemned the invasion at the UN. Only places with extremely poor levels of education agree with him.

Also, he's referring to the cultural genocide that's taken place in Ukraine over the last few years, it has nothing to do with the war itself.

All the moves against the Russian language came after Russia invaded their territory and stole their resources in 2014 and supported a separatist movement to steal even more of their land and resources. Causality only works in one direction. And JFC, after him and Putin being part of the Soviet regime for several decades, which is pretty much entirely based on stamping out individuality and culture (including religion), what right has he to even open his mouth on the subject.

Why does so much of the Global South support Russia, not Ukraine?

The war is "not simply seen as good guys in the West versus bad guys in Russia." #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

Winning in Ukraine, losing the global south?

The west’s focus on the war in Ukraine risks a geopolitically counterproductive neglect of the urgent problems of the global south.

www.socialeurope.eu

Historical biases. And it's also strangely ridiculous how you would bring the likes of South Africa and Zimbabwe into a discussion about making Ukrainian the only official language of Ukraine, when they happily take land from white farmers and discriminate against them. Because the white people historically treated them like shit you say? Well ditto for Russians and Ukraine.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

In the end, it was a great achievement for the Ukrainian drones to have reached Moscow!

 

[Innominate]

While Patriot systems are intercepting hypersonic kinzhals and iskanders the s400 is...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663594152636850176

 

[randomradio]

Same goes for India too.

It's not a problem for India due to our positive relations with Russia as a whole. Even Putin's successor will desire good relations with India, as did all of Putin's predecessors.

Although, I want Ukraine to win donbass, i fear taking Crimea will precipitate much much worse.

Ukraine taking Donbas is as bad as them taking Crimea. Both are majority native Russians.

This war has happened because native Russians were divided after the dissolution of the SU and the majority non-Russians are now suppressing the Russian speakers. Think back to Sri Lanka's Tamil problem with the Sinhalese oppressing the Tamils. It's quite literally the same situation.

 

[randomradio]

Factually, Russia has no claim to Crimea. They recognized Ukraine's borders in 1991 and in 1994.

Russia weakened their own case on Crimea by creating and annexing 4 additional provinces. Also, Ukraine will just have to fight again if Crimea is not retaken.

True, in a way. But rightfully, Ukraine should have been partitioned into two countries in 1991.

The one the Russians call New Russia should originally have been a different country.

But, because the Ukro-Russians are now being oppressed in Ukraine, the Russians have staked claim over those regions by claiming cultural unity. Something that never should have happened. But we can't turn back the wheel of time. In any case, Ukraine has allowed the Russians to stake claim over everything they believe is "Russian".

 

[randomradio]

That must be why 141 vs 5 condemned the invasion at the UN. Only places with extremely poor levels of education agree with him.

UN.

All the moves against the Russian language came after Russia invaded their territory and stole their resources in 2014 and supported a separatist movement to steal even more of their land and resources. Causality only works in one direction. And JFC, after him and Putin being part of the Soviet regime for several decades, which is pretty much entirely based on stamping out individuality and culture (including religion), what right has he to even open his mouth on the subject.

Er, no. Read history.

Historical biases. And it's also strangely ridiculous how you would bring the likes of South Africa and Zimbabwe into a discussion about making Ukrainian the only official language of Ukraine, when they happily take land from white farmers and discriminate against them. Because the white people historically treated them like shit you say? Well ditto for Russians and Ukraine.

Dunno how you managed to equate cultural oppression of people with the same skin colour with racism.

 

[randomradio]

In the end, it was a great achievement for the Ukrainian drones to have reached Moscow!

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Nap of the earth flying and undefended civilian targets like apartment buildings.

There is no country that's prepared to deal with war crimes.

 

[BMD]

UN.

That's right, the UN. As regards the smiley, that's how people feel when you mention the Global South.

Er, no. Read history.

Moves pre-2014 were not the work of the current administration. Either way, making one language the national language is not illegal under international law, and it's not like the same thing wasn't done in the US years back.

Dunno how you managed to equate cultural oppression of people with the same skin colour with racism.

Ethnicity and racism go beyond skin colour. It's not like all those Jews Hitler murdered were black or even slightly brown. Making the national language one language isn't cultural oppression. The UK has one national language but people are still free to speak other languages outside of government service. The separation of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine was an inevitable result of the Russian Orthodox Church backing the invasion of their country. The Soviets wiped out all national cultures and oppressed all religions. You read some history.

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

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The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9] At least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed between 1937 and 1941.[10]

 

[BMD]

Nap of the earth flying and undefended civilian targets like apartment buildings.

There is no country that's prepared to deal with war crimes.

Ukraine is using what technology is available to them. The drones probably aren't capable of precision strikes and Russia has high concentrations of jamming around Moscow anyway. Russia has been doing the same with high precision cruise missiles against apartment blocks from the start of the war, so it's a bit late to start piping up about war crimes mate. The purpose of these drones is simply to force Russia to shoot them down with more expensive missiles and absorb military and financial resources.

 

[randomradio]

That's right, the UN. As regards the smiley, that's how people feel when you mention the Global South.

Ah, good job dismissing 7 billion people.

Moves pre-2014 were not the work of the current administration. Either way, making one language the national language is not illegal under international law, and it's not like the same thing wasn't done in the US years back.

Lol.

Ethnicity and racism go beyond skin colour. It's not like all those Jews Hitler murdered were black or even slightly brown. Making the national language one language isn't cultural oppression. The UK has one national language but people are still free to speak other languages outside of government service. The separation of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine was an inevitable result of the Russian Orthodox Church backing the invasion of their country. The Soviets wiped out all national cultures and oppressed all religions. You read some history.

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, so Hitler killing Jews wasn't racism. The same thing's happening in Ukraine today, only this time the target is Russian speakers.

Nothing to do with apartheid.

Ukraine is using what technology is available to them. The drones probably aren't capable of precision strikes and Russia has high concentrations of jamming around Moscow anyway. Russia has been doing the same with high precision cruise missiles against apartment blocks from the start of the war, so it's a bit late to start piping up about war crimes mate. The purpose of these drones is simply to force Russia to shoot them down with more expensive missiles and absorb military and financial resources.

Collateral damage and war crimes are not the same thing. School yourself on this subject as well.

 

[BMD]

True, in a way. But rightfully, Ukraine should have been partitioned into two countries in 1991.

The one the Russians call New Russia should originally have been a different country.

But, because the Ukro-Russians are now being oppressed in Ukraine, the Russians have staked claim over those regions by claiming cultural unity. Something that never should have happened. But we can't turn back the wheel of time. In any case, Ukraine has allowed the Russians to stake claim over everything they believe is "Russian".

You spend 76 years arguing against partitions, and then this.

If you invade a country and start killing people of that country, as Russia did in 2014, you can't call natural, unavoidable resentment and fighting back oppression. If the people of the Donbass had just been chilling since 2014 and Ukraine was still shelling them, only then would you have a leg to stand on with your paralytic argument.

 

[BMD]

Ah, good job dismissing 7 billion people.

It isn't 7 billion people, don't kid yourself. And most of the abstainers and rejecters weren't democracies either, so arguably they represent nobody. And a good few of them are simply first class nob-heads, which should really worry anyone who finds themselves agreeing with them. I mean, if yourself on the same side as DPRK, PRC, Syria and IRoI, you're almost definitely wrong without any further consideration. If the majority of other nations disagree with you too, then you are definitely wrong.

Lol.

Yeah, LOL to all your arguments.

Yeah, so Hitler killing Jews wasn't racism.

It wasn't?

The same thing's happening in Ukraine today, only this time the target is Russian speakers.

So Ukraine put 6 million Russians in gas chambers, who were just minding their own business, and then burnt their bodies afterwards?

Nothing to do with apartheid.

Tell us more.

Collateral damage and war crimes are not the same thing. School yourself on this subject as well.

So the apartment blocks, shopping malls, hospitals and civilian shelters were military targets then? What about the mass graves and corpses with holes in the back of their head? Or the kidnapped children? TBH, some of your propaganda should reclassified as a war crime, it's certainly a crime against logic.

While Patriot systems are intercepting hypersonic kinzhals and iskanders the s400 is...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663594152636850176

 

[BMD]

The Kremlin once again puppeteering the church.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663512056564162560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663613335403732996

 

[BMD]

@randomradio I believe Russia has described such targets as 'decision-making centres' when attacking Ukraine.

Given the likely range of the drones, they were probably launched from inside Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663607620308176897

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663593095005626369

 

[kharabela]

It's not a problem for India due to our positive relations with Russia as a whole. Even Putin's successor will desire good relations with India, as did all of Putin's predecessors.



Ukraine taking Donbas is as bad as them taking Crimea. Both are majority native Russians.

This war has happened because native Russians were divided after the dissolution of the SU and the majority non-Russians are now suppressing the Russian speakers. Think back to Sri Lanka's Tamil problem with the Sinhalese oppressing the Tamils. It's quite literally the same situation.

Soviet history is more complicated . No parallel shd be drawn with regards to situation in india . India did nt attack Srilanka or took over the northern part . When i searched about prosecution in cremia , 1st page i found about prosecution of cremian tatars during stalin regime when they were made to leave their homeland . Once you have attacked a country , start bombing of cities , there is no point of discussing morality . The general view of the Russian supporters is "Ukraine is not a nation " when they are on high morale , when things take down turn it becomes about Russian minority . There is no point of these discussion nymore . Russia had the option to wait for political shift or intervene indirectly in pre 2014 situation , their choice was war , and now its up to them to take it to the end .

Also i wld add , India was one of the biggest cultural and economic victim of sovietism . The disintegration of soviet in 1991 marked new era of economic growth for india . No reason for getting nostalgic .

 

[BMD]

Pot calling kettles 'black'.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663607035605254146

 

[BMD]

In the end, it was a great achievement for the Ukrainian drones to have reached Moscow!

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May have been a false flag to turn Russians more against Ukraine. Russia did the same thing with apartment bombings in 1999 and the drones were more likely to have been fired from inside Russia, than inside Ukraine given the size and likely range.

 

[Hydra]

Claims of both successful strikes and interceptions have not been verified in open source. Both have claimed massive successes in doing both. So take all these reports with salt. It's gonna take a long time to verify everything.

Russia is still fighting the war, which supposed to end within 15-30 days with complete surrender of Ukrain, based on the military strength disparity between these two. Now people can use their brain on whose claim deserve weightage.

 

[randomradio]

Soviet history is more complicated . No parallel shd be drawn with regards to situation in india . India did nt attacked Srilanka or took over the northern part .

I was referring to Sinhalese against Tamils, nothing to do with India.

Alternatively, West Pakistan in East Pakistan. Allowing Ukraine to take Donbas and Crimea will be no different than returning East Pakistan to West Pakistan in 1972.

When i searched about prosecution in cremia , 1st page i found about prosecution of cremian tatars during stalin regime when they were made to leave their homeland . Once you have attacked a country , start bombing of cities , there is no point of discussing morality . The general view of the Russian supporters is "Ukraine is not a nation " when they are on high morale , when things take down turn it becomes about Russian minority . There is no point of these discussion nymore . Russia had the option to wait for political shift or intervene indirectly in pre 2014 situation , their choice was war , and now its up to them to take it to the end .

The waiting period was over. Ukraine was preparing to take Donbas militarily, which is why the Russians responded with a troop buildup followed by an invasion. Both Petro Poroshenko and Angela Merkel confirmed that the Minsk talks were all a smokescreen to prepare the Ukrainian army, their words. Prepare them for what? Fight Russia? No. NATO believed that any Russian invasion will be short and swift, perhaps a month, perhaps 3 months, whatever the case they didn't expect UAF to survive the Russians. So invade Donbas and Crimea? Yes.

Ukraine not being a nation is by their Akhand Bharat equivalent fanatics, but the ground situation is a Russian minority is fighting both Ukronazis and the Ukr govt. This war is the most legitimate war in the post-Cold War era, with the exception of the Afghan War.

If Donbas and Crimea fall to Ukraine, although I believe it's extremely unlikely, we are most definitely going to witness a genocide in the hands of the Ukrainians. They already have no issues shelling civilians in the Donbas.

Also i wld add , India was one of the biggest cultural and economic victim of sovietism . The disintegration of soviet in 1991 marked new era of economic growth for india . No reason for getting nostalgic .

Had a lot more to do with our own socialist policies initiated under Nehru than the Soviet Union. We our own victims.

 

[randomradio]

Russia is still fighting the war, which supposed to end within 15-30 days with complete surrender of Ukrain, based on the military strength disparity between these two. Now people can use their brain on whose claim deserve weightage.

The result depends on how one prosecutes the war. The Russians half-arsed it assuming there won't be a war, so they went in unprepared.

There is a significant military disparity between the two countries, but the Russians are not using much of that, given their offensives are being conducted not by the Russian army, but by a private company. Wagner is basically a private company fighting the best UAF troops. It's the stuff of video games.