Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Was a 1971 type genocide going on in cremia in 2014 ? You used the word - " , we are most definitely going to witness a genocide in the hands of the Ukrainians. " Thats future tense . We dont know . Meanwhile more people in Dunbas might have already died due to this war .
What was source of this ideology .. Not just Neheru entire indian elites were fascinated with idea of communism . Soviet union even funded communists and think tanks like they used to do in other countries . Let me narrate you how fckd up situation was -
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Markets, where prices guide producers on what to produce and how much to produce, was stripped of their role, which was now played by a bunch of bureaucrats and economists sitting in the Planning Commission.
They decided how much of steel, copper, cars and scooters should be consumed by the Indian population, and who would produce these, and the price they would sell them at, and the quantity of raw material that could be imported. They sat with input-output tables and gave out licenses to industry to produce and to traders to import essential items.
Barely any new product was produced and no new technology was adopted. Indian bureaucrats would go to conferences abroad with their suits smelling keroshine as dry-cleaning equipment was not allowed to be imported.
India’s industry became uncompetitive using outdated technology, producing the same old models and was unable to sell its products overseas. The rupee’s exchange rate was administered and hugely overvalued, further leading to poor exports.
The government tried raising tax rates to increase revenue, but when that did not help, it borrowed by forcing banks to lend nearly half of bank deposits. When sources of borrowing dried up, the government simply had the Reserve Bank of India print more money.
Inflation spiralled and price rise added to the misery, especially with very large sections of the population already below the poverty line.
Shortages led to rationing, and rationing led to queues and black markets. Not only did consumers have to wait for years for a new car, a scooter or a phone, they had to queue up for hours to buy sugar, wheat, rice and kerosene. "
The source had to die for that ideology to subside . No way indian ideological elites wld have allowed india to get globalized .
Again the proxy war began in 2014 by Russia backed militia .
It was pre-empted by the invasion. It's like if India had invaded East Pakistan in December 1970 and pre-empted the genocide that took place.
As soon as the coup happened in 2014, Ukro-Russian military units in the Donbas came under attack.
Yes, but it had more to do with socialist tendencies than communist.
What spurned Nehru away from capitalism was visible corruption in America. He didn't realise it was way worse in communist states. Our monetary policy was bad regardless.
The problem began in 2004, with the Orange Revolution.
Orange Revolution - Wikipedia
Basically the Ukrainian speakers were always in power. In 2010, when Russian speakers won polls, the Ukrainian speakers resorted to a coup to take back power. So, when the Russian speakers figured out that they will never be free in Ukraine, they decided to secede. Putin had nothing to do with the secession, it was led by the people from Donbas, he jumped in a few months later.
It's basically a repeat of Pakistan, West Pak in power, lost elections in 1970 to East Pak, decided to initiate a coup and began a genocide against East Pak. India (Russia) helped liberate East Pak (Donbas/Crimea). The main difference is Russia moved in well before Ukraine could do any real damage to Crimea and Donbas. We took a year to do the same, lot of people died in the process. Both India and Russia trained and sent in paramilitaries to help support East Pak/Donbas. The outcome was the Russians were living on a cloud while India finished the job in 2 weeks. And while India liberted East Pak, the Russians planned to annex the new regions. Of course, the Russians made that decision just before the invasion, before that they were fine with an autonomous status for Donbas under the Minsk agreements.
Donbas initiated the secession, not Russia. Even as per NATO, Russian presence in Donbas was just a few thousand, mostly PMC, until well after Zelesnky came to power.
The first time Javelin was used was in Nov 2021, basically permission from the US to use their weapons against Donbas. Direct US support pretty much began then. That meant Donbas was now on a countdown to the end without direct Russian intervention.
Excellent analysisIt was pre-empted by the invasion. It's like if India had invaded East Pakistan in December 1970 and pre-empted the genocide that took place.
As soon as the coup happened in 2014, Ukro-Russian military units in the Donbas came under attack.
Yes, but it had more to do with socialist tendencies than communist.
What spurned Nehru away from capitalism was visible corruption in America. He didn't realise it was way worse in communist states. Our monetary policy was bad regardless.
The problem began in 2004, with the Orange Revolution.
Orange Revolution - Wikipedia
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Basically the Ukrainian speakers were always in power. In 2010, when Russian speakers won polls, the Ukrainian speakers resorted to a coup to take back power. So, when the Russian speakers figured out that they will never be free in Ukraine, they decided to secede. Putin had nothing to do with the secession, it was led by the people from Donbas, he jumped in a few months later.
It's basically a repeat of Pakistan, West Pak in power, lost elections in 1970 to East Pak, decided to initiate a coup and began a genocide against East Pak. India (Russia) helped liberate East Pak (Donbas/Crimea). The main difference is Russia moved in well before Ukraine could do any real damage to Crimea and Donbas. We took a year to do the same, lot of people died in the process. Both India and Russia trained and sent in paramilitaries to help support East Pak/Donbas. The outcome was the Russians were living on a cloud while India finished the job in 2 weeks. And while India liberted East Pak, the Russians planned to annex the new regions. Of course, the Russians made that decision just before the invasion, before that they were fine with an autonomous status for Donbas under the Minsk agreements.
Donbas initiated the secession, not Russia. Even as per NATO, Russian presence in Donbas was just a few thousand, mostly PMC, until well after Zelesnky came to power.
The first time Javelin was used was in Nov 2021, basically permission from the US to use their weapons against Donbas. Direct US support pretty much began then. That meant Donbas was now on a countdown to the end without direct Russian intervention.
Oh geez why would they tell Madam Graham anything... of all people. 
He likely got briefed about Ukraine capabilities that haven't been disclosed, or to better put it, capabilities US/NATO gave Ukraine and weren't meant to be used yet.
He likely got briefed about Ukraine capabilities that haven't been disclosed, or to better put it, capabilities US/NATO gave Ukraine and weren't meant to be used yet.
I dont think s400 batteries were operated by pvt militias, so as airforce assets flying, surface to surface missiles & naval vessels.
The regular Russian military is very much involved in this war.
Wachu talkin bout maaaaan. Vlad is saving its forces for NATO I thought you knew?
Among various reason for attacks like re establishment of soviet empire , novo russia , fighting gay lesbians , now this pre empted invasion to prevent genocide in future . No one should attack another country based on fortune teller advice
Socialism , communism both ideology of left spectrum . Communism cant happen in a democracy . But if you read my previous comment you ll realize , our policy makers left no coin unturned to destroy the economic life line of nation . Our economic policies were inspired by soviet , just like other nation in that era .
The problem began in 2004, with the Orange Revolution.
Orange Revolution - Wikipedia
Basically the Ukrainian speakers were always in power. In 2010, when Russian speakers won polls, the Ukrainian speakers resorted to a coup to take back power. So, when the Russian speakers figured out that they will never be free in Ukraine, they decided to secede. Putin had nothing to do with the secession, it was led by the people from Donbas, he jumped in a few months later.
It's basically a repeat of Pakistan, West Pak in power, lost elections in 1970 to East Pak, decided to initiate a coup and began a genocide against East Pak. India (Russia) helped liberate East Pak (Donbas/Crimea). The main difference is Russia moved in well before Ukraine could do any real damage to Crimea and Donbas. We took a year to do the same, lot of people died in the process. Both India and Russia trained and sent in paramilitaries to help support East Pak/Donbas. The outcome was the Russians were living on a cloud while India finished the job in 2 weeks. And while India liberted East Pak, the Russians planned to annex the new regions. Of course, the Russians made that decision just before the invasion, before that they were fine with an autonomous status for Donbas under the Minsk agreements.
Donbas initiated the secession, not Russia. Even as per NATO, Russian presence in Donbas was just a few thousand, mostly PMC, until well after Zelesnky came to power.
The first time Javelin was used was in Nov 2021, basically permission from the US to use their weapons against Donbas. Direct US support pretty much began then. That meant Donbas was now on a countdown to the end without direct Russian intervention.
Before that color revolution event something happened . Putin visited Ukraine and advised Ukranians to vote for his nominee . That shd tell you abt the forces at play in Ukraine . It was population wanting to get away from soviet influence , get economically more connected with Euro Atlantic vs the one opposing it . Yes there is evidence that protests were funded by Eurpean American agencies , but at the end of the day which block invaded their country started bombing their cities and took over their land . Now if someone says what Russia doing is for its own national interest .. I wld nt say anything . But trying to project some universal morality at this point where 1 year of war has passed and 100s of thousands have died is no more valid .
Brilliant. Don't blame Russia for the crimes they have committed, only blame Ukraine for hypothetical crimes you think they might have committed at some point in the future.
No, it was the other way round. There isn't even a motive for such an attack unless they were doing something they shouldn't have been.
Really tired of correcting you on this. Yanukovych campaigned on the basis of moving towards EU membership, after he met with Putin behind closed doors and suddenly decided to join the EEU instead, thus precluding the possibility of EU membership, voters took to the streets and protested.
As, for the rest, all garbage. In your eyes it's wrong when NATO removes an unelected, mass-murdering, torturing lunatic who invaded another country and nerve-gassed civilians, and enables Iraqis to elect their own leader, BUT when Russia tries to remove an elected leader who's done none of those things, executes Ukrainian civilians, kidnaps children, bombs hospitals, annexes their territory and turns it into authoritarian rule they might be right.
Listening to your logic is like hearing President Zuma trying to count, or Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
The Russian fooled themselves into believing their own media. This led them to assume that Ukrainians would welcome them with open arms as they removed the evil NATO coup regime. Instead >200,000 of them got killed and they know they can't win but elites are trying to save themselves. Putin didn't even realise how badly the war was going at first because nobody dared tell him.
Still talking horseshit. PMCs are made up of veteran war fighters, Wagner is the only Russian unit that has been able to do jack in Ukraine recently. It's also not very private given how Putin supplies all their ammunition. Russia can't commit more forces because then it would have no border security and no security to protect the elites in Moscow and react to problem areas across Russia.
The Minsk Agreements they never complied with by having Russian troops in the Donbass.
Try 12,000 Russian soldiers, not including Russian 'volunteers' and Wagner.
War in Donbas - Wikipedia
And if it had ended, less lives would have been lost all round, and Russia likely would have got to keep Crimea uncontested.
They are having plenty, the only thing keeping Russia away from using nuke is the fear of tota isolation from world.Maybe Vlad is saving his nukes for NATO...just sayin
US used nukes to establish domination over the world. Even now there is a section of NeoCon who think that US can win a nuke war against anybody including Russia.
Russia is keeping its nuke for her own safety. They are not as barbaric as anglo(es) to use it against innocent people. But with this constant intervention by NATO, maybe they could....
On the other hand US went batshit in 1961 with Soviet missiles on its doorsteps. Amazing hypocrisy.