Ukraine - Russia Conflict

They supported the Northern Alliance against the Taliban but then supported the Taliban against the elected Afghan National Government.


Now they're reaping what they sowed.

Lol, their people came to power in the new govt.

The insurgents were also Al-Quaeda in Iraq earlier than that and various militia organisations. Russia and Iran supported them just to make the West look bad, with no regard for the hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths they caused.

Yeah, so? It's not like any SAM randomly melts away after an intercept.

No they didn't. Both didn't like Al Qaeda either. In fact, Al Qaeda calls for attacks on Russia on a regular basis.

British travel advisory.
Terrorist groups, including Daesh and Al-Qaeda aligned groups, continue to call for attacks in Russia.

Russia has seen a number of terrorist attacks including in Moscow and St Petersburg with large casualty numbers, and Russia’s aviation has also been targeted. Security forces have disrupted several plots in major Russian cities, including Moscow, St Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod and Stavropol.


Yeah, been schooling you for the last 10 years now. Looks like I'm a bad teacher though.
Yeah, so? It's not like any SAM randomly melts away after an intercept.

Counters claims that they only got the PAC-2.
 
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Negative, the protestors spent months asking him for an early election following his decision to join the EEU. He ignored them and then tried to crack down on them with inevitable consequences, then he ran off to Russia. He could have avoided the whole thing by calling an election or a referendum in the interceding months between the start of protests and the revolution.


Stop trying to make up your own facts.

Why the frig would a ruling party want early elections when it does not benefit them? Are you daft?

All opposition parties want early elections the moment they lose. Do your parents know you are this daft?

Russia only has themselves to blame for that.

Lol, the Russians had nothing to do with that. Once the coup started, initiated by the Ukrainians, the Russian speakers were done. Now they are fighting the Russians. The Kremlin was actually sincere in resolving the dispute via Minsk agreements.
 
Why the frig would a ruling party want early elections when it does not benefit them? Are you daft?
To quell protests. You alleged that they would have won easily, so it should have been win-win for them. You can't completely destroy your election mandate mid-term and not expect a problem, and the fact he ran off to Russia says it all really.
All opposition parties want early elections the moment they lose. Do your parents know you are this daft?
It wasn't the moment they lost, it was 1 year before one was due anyway, and came after Yanukovych completely U-turned on his election pledges. So the call was solidly founded. Another option was to call a referendum on whether to join the EU or EEU.
Lol, the Russians had nothing to do with that. Once the coup started, initiated by the Ukrainians, the Russian speakers were done. Now they are fighting the Russians. The Kremlin was actually sincere in resolving the dispute via Minsk agreements.
They were not done at all. Elections continued in free Ukraine after that, elections they could have participated in if they had not been annexed.

The Kremlin was never ever in compliance with the Minsk Agreements at any time, since it always had troops in the Donbass.

You just lie, and lie and lie some more.
 
Lol, their people came to power in the new govt.
They were just supporting the opposition to destabilise the country in all cases, likely supporting militants and attacks against the Taliban now. So now the Taliban are killing them, which is what they sowed.

No they didn't. Both didn't like Al Qaeda either. In fact, Al Qaeda calls for attacks on Russia on a regular basis.

British travel advisory.
Terrorist groups, including Daesh and Al-Qaeda aligned groups, continue to call for attacks in Russia.

Russia has seen a number of terrorist attacks including in Moscow and St Petersburg with large casualty numbers, and Russia’s aviation has also been targeted. Security forces have disrupted several plots in major Russian cities, including Moscow, St Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod and Stavropol.


Yeah, been schooling you for the last 10 years now. Looks like I'm a bad teacher though.
There's no date on that. Dislike has never prevented Russia and Iran supporting them to cause others problems.

Counters claims that they only got the PAC-2.
They got the PAC-3 CRI and PAC-2 GEM-T apparently. Any intercept will give you debris, but it's better than a giant 500kg warhead taking an apartment block out.
 
To quell protests. You alleged that they would have won easily, so it should have been win-win for them. You can't completely destroy your election mandate mid-term and not expect a problem, and the fact he ran off to Russia says it all really.

It wasn't the moment they lost, it was 1 year before one was due anyway, and came after Yanukovych completely U-turned on his election pledges. So the call was solidly founded. Another option was to call a referendum on whether to join the EU or EEU.

They were not done at all. Elections continued in free Ukraine after that, elections they could have participated in if they had not been annexed.

The Kremlin was never ever in compliance with the Minsk Agreements at any time, since it always had troops in the Donbass.

You just lie, and lie and lie some more.

If the response to failed negotiations is a coup, then it wasn't a democracy in the first place.
 
Russia spent 2 trillion roubles ($26 billion) on defence in January and February alone, a 282% jump on the same period a year ago, data on the budget portal showed, illustrating the spiralling costs for Moscow of its conflict in Ukraine.


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If quarter of that 5.1T or $64B is capex, and that increased back to 70% in 2024 and 2025, then for the next 3 years, Russian capex will be two to three times that of the US, perhaps even more since Western defence industry seems to have resorted to price gouging.

On the Western side as well, the bill will continue increasing for the war alone.

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If the response to failed negotiations is a coup, then it wasn't a democracy in the first place.
He tried to crackdown on them and push them aside. If you're allowed to u-turn on all your election pleadges mid-term it isn't a democracy either, because people aren't getting what they voted for.
Russia spent 2 trillion roubles ($26 billion) on defence in January and February alone, a 282% jump on the same period a year ago, data on the budget portal showed, illustrating the spiralling costs for Moscow of its conflict in Ukraine.


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If quarter of that 5.1T or $64B is capex, and that increased back to 70% in 2024 and 2025, then for the next 3 years, Russian capex will be two to three times that of the US, perhaps even more since Western defence industry seems to have resorted to price gouging.

On the Western side as well, the bill will continue increasing for the war alone.

@Picdelamirand-oil
It's costing the US and NATO hardly anything relative to their GDP.
 
He tried to crackdown on them and push them aside. If you're allowed to u-turn on all your election pleadges mid-term it isn't a democracy either, because people aren't getting what they voted for.

Negotiations fail all the time. Once again, the response to that is not a coup. Coups only happen in unstable or non-democracies.

It's costing the US and NATO hardly anything relative to their GDP.

You are not looking at the whole picture. It will accrue over time. Especially when talking about many years, followed by many more years of pointless reconstruction.



That's a lot and just the beginning.

The war is also emptying out Ukraine, as refugees end up settling outside the country, so that's an additional burden. Given enough time, many Ukrainians won't return. And if Russia takes everything to the east of the river, Ukraine's post-war population would end up less than 10 million, a significantly diminished threat.

Also, take a look at the Russian national budget, it's increased from 16T in 2018 to almost 30T in 2023. In 5 years, we could very well see it cross 45T, if not 60T. If we assume their defence budget doubles to 10T or $125B, then they can equal the combined US and EU's defence capex all on their own. The West will have to spend upwards of $3T just to match the Russian budget, never mind the Chinese one. Can the West double its defence budget in 5 years? And what if the Russian defence budget doubles again in 5 more years?

Look at their expenditure in economy and welfare. In 2018, it was about 7-8T rubles. But in 2023, it's about 14T rubles. Apparently, as per Western media, more money for defence means less money for everything else, spectacularly failing in their understanding of the concept of growth.

Surrendering to the inevitablity of such circumstances, the US wanted to eliminate Russia as a threat by destroying their economy by pushing Russia to to war thereby creating the excuse to apply the most draconian sanctions the world's even seen. So, yeah, that worked very well. In a lapse of judgement, the West forgot for a moment that there are other people living on the planet and that helped diversify Russia's market instead. On top of that, the Russians will come out of the war as the most combat-experienced army on the planet. Putin's obviously gonna fix a majority of the problems post-war, a problem that was best left to reveal itself in a bigger war than this one.

And, to make matters worse, the people in the West are yet to wake up to the problem their govts have created. So more purse tightening to look forward to.
 
Video created by the engineering troops of Ukraine, a powerful underground fortified structure, created in the form of a square. In the drone video, you can see the many entrances to the underground structure, connected by an extensive network of underground tunnels.


Published footage of the evacuation of a damaged Russian tank by two Russian engineering vehicles, under the blows of Ukrainian artillery. The video was filmed in the Uludar direction and shortened, showing the brightest moments.

 
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Negotiations fail all the time. Once again, the response to that is not a coup. Coups only happen in unstable or non-democracies.
Nothing to do with a negotiation, he reneged on his election promises and then attempted to push the protestors aside and then ran to Russia. Note that Russia had invaded Crimea two days before he left. The solution was an early election or a referendum. A similar thing happened in the UK when Poll Tax was introduced, eventually the UK government was forced to change it. Yanukovych decided not to change his decision. As a result government continued in the UK and in Ukraine it didn't.
You are not looking at the whole picture. It will accrue over time. Especially when talking about many years, followed by many more years of pointless reconstruction.



That's a lot and just the beginning.
Russia's spend will also accrue over time, so what kind of comment is that? $76bn is <0.3% of US GDP (~$27tr).

The war is also emptying out Ukraine, as refugees end up settling outside the country, so that's an additional burden. Given enough time, many Ukrainians won't return. And if Russia takes everything to the east of the river, Ukraine's post-war population would end up less than 10 million, a significantly diminished threat.
Only women and children have left Ukraine. The war is also emptying out Russia, but it is fighting ages males who have left, for obvious reasons, i.e. health preservation.
Also, take a look at the Russian national budget, it's increased from 16T in 2018 to almost 30T in 2023. In 5 years, we could very well see it cross 45T, if not 60T. If we assume their defence budget doubles to 10T or $125B, then they can equal the combined US and EU's defence capex all on their own. The West will have to spend upwards of $3T just to match the Russian budget, never mind the Chinese one. Can the West double its defence budget in 5 years? And what if the Russian defence budget doubles again in 5 more years?
Your analysis is wrong. Russia is already in deficit, more war spending means less for R&D and less for schools and hospitals, and/or increased debt, which then means increased interest payments, which means less for budget ultimately. Your analysis is why the UK's Labour Party struggle to get in. :ROFLMAO:
Look at their expenditure in economy and welfare. In 2018, it was about 7-8T rubles. But in 2023, it's about 14T rubles. Apparently, as per Western media, more money for defence means less money for everything else, spectacularly failing in their understanding of the concept of growth.
It does, your own links state this.

Surrendering to the inevitablity of such circumstances, the US wanted to eliminate Russia as a threat by destroying their economy by pushing Russia to to war thereby creating the excuse to apply the most draconian sanctions the world's even seen. So, yeah, that worked very well. In a lapse of judgement, the West forgot for a moment that there are other people living on the planet and that helped diversify Russia's market instead. On top of that, the Russians will come out of the war as the most combat-experienced army on the planet. Putin's obviously gonna fix a majority of the problems post-war, a problem that was best left to reveal itself in a bigger war than this one.

And, to make matters worse, the people in the West are yet to wake up to the problem their govts have created. So more purse tightening to look forward to.
No Russian is living long enough to become experienced. And stop trying to blame it on the US. Russia is a dying authoritarian empire, it took over lots of lands and oppressed its neighbours for years. Since the fall of the USSR it has struggled to make friends with its neighbours or have a positive economic influence on them. Instead, it sponsored a series of separatist wars in their countries and alienated them. This is why it finds itself where it is today. Now it's sending its ethnic minorities to the slaughterhouse. If the US/NATO really wanted to cause problems for Russia right now, all they'd need to do is send a shit load of guns and RPGs into Russia via remote borders in Asia and the Caucasus.

Russia is not some kind of economic powerhouse, the opposite, it has virtually no economy outside of defence and oil & gas.

 
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