Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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So the usual strawman and red herring arguments. A coup must be normal for the Europeans then.
We buy their oil and get them to invest the entire amount we paid in India...
The surplus with India could be as high as $40-50B a year.
The problem for trade with India is the Russians are quite self-sufficient in a lot of goods India can provide, and they need help with brand names and high tech products that India cannot provide, and they don't care much about our services like the West does.
With the West eroding the rationality of buffer states, Russia will naturally react aggressively.
But the Russians need to cross the Dnieper for anything much to happen in Moldova. But this war is Moldova's chance to get into NATO like Finland did.
Liberty Guiding the People, Eugène Delacroix, 1831
The opposite happened in Ukraine. No more liberté, égalité, fraternité, Ukraine's Napoleon's running the show now.
You literally are a 'red' herring.
By what measure? Russia was pulling their strings beforehand, now they aren't. Political participation in Ukraine is higher than in India, as are civil liberties. Functioning of government is poor but there's a war on, so you can't expect it to be great.
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The West has only once acted militarily in Europe since WWII, and that was to stop an actual genocide involving systematic rape and mass graves. How many times has Russia acted militarily in Europe since WWII?
1944-1960s - Militarily crushed independence movements.
1953 - East German uprising crushed
1956 - Hungary invaded.
1961-1968 - Vlora Incident
1968 - Invasion of Czechoslovakia
1991-1993 - South Ossetia War
1992-1993 - Abkhazia War
1992 - Transnistria War
1994 - 2009 - Chechen-Dagestan Conflicts
2008 - Russo-Georgia War
2009-2017 - Insurgency in North Caucasus
2014-Present - Ukraine
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Russia is seldom not at war in Europe for over a century. Only something very unnatural takes that much maintenance. And you wonder why the buffer states want to join NATO.
If Russia gets across the Dnieper and looks like it might join up with Transnistria, NATO will return Transnistria to Moldova.
Even your insults are red herring.
By what measure? Russia was pulling their strings beforehand, now they aren't. Political participation in Ukraine is higher than in India, as are civil liberties. Functioning of government is poor but there's a war on, so you can't expect it to be great.
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India is far more democratic than most countries in the West.
Based on the 6 points mentioned, India should easily score 9s or 10s in all categories. Even point 4 favours India because our people are anti-incumbents.
The West has only once acted militarily in Europe since WWII, and that was to stop an actual genocide involving systematic rape and mass graves. How many times has Russia acted militarily in Europe since WWII?
1944-1960s - Militarily crushed independence movements.
1953 - East German uprising crushed
1956 - Hungary invaded.
1961-1968 - Vlora Incident
1968 - Invasion of Czechoslovakia
1991-1993 - South Ossetia War
1992-1993 - Abkhazia War
1992 - Transnistria War
1994 - 2009 - Chechen-Dagestan Conflicts
2008 - Russo-Georgia War
2009-2017 - Insurgency in North Caucasus
2014-Present - Ukraine
List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia
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Russia is seldom not at war in Europe for over a century. Only something very unnatural takes that much maintenance. And you wonder why the buffer states want to join NATO.
If Russia gets across the Dnieper and looks like it might join up with Transnistria, NATO will return Transnistria to Moldova.
How about listing all the wars fought by great powers post Cold War along with the casualty rates? Let's compare Russia and the US after that.
We're discussing actions in Europe here. But you'll find that Russia/USSR was involved in some way or other in nearly every war fought by the West post-WWII, along with proxies like China and Iran. E.g. China supported the Taliban between 2001 and 2021, and it supported the Northern alliance against the Taliban before that. Now they're getting what they deserve. Russia and Iran supported mass-murdering militias in Iraq from 2003-2021, now they're getting what they deserve too.
Even your coming backs are herring red.Even your insults are red herring.
Most ridiculous comment ever posted on the internet.There's a gap between what you think and reality.
No. Just because of passing of that Idiot language law, You can't say that russian speaking people were opressed.
Sorry but no.
@BMD you should be happy about this......We buy their oil and get them to invest the entire amount we paid in India...
The surplus with India could be as high as $40-50B a year.
The problem for trade with India is the Russians are quite self-sufficient in a lot of goods India can provide, and they need help with brand names and high tech products that India cannot provide, and they don't care much about our services like the West does.
Funds are not given to Russia to fund this war... You happy my dear....
Granted there was violence & lawlessness for sometime but Yanukovych would have been ousted anyway( By MPs).