Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Dude, you're talking about Wagner creating an insurgency in the Baltic states. Of course it'd be traced back to Russia. How do you believe it wouldn't?

'Cause tracing it back to the Kremlin and proving it are two different things.

Wagner is now an "enemy" to Russia. So whatever actions they take has plausible deniability, in case it's a 4D move by the Kremlin. Or, of course, there's been an actual falling out. All of this is just guesswork, in the end claims will need actual proof.

But the reality is Wagner has now become a serious threat to Europe. It was created to be a CI force, not a conventional army. And if that's what they focus on, then that's gonna become a serious problem. It's impossible for me to believe that they will all move to Belarus and then sit quietly.

It's possible that they will start something in Western Ukraine first. Pull in dissatisfied Russians with the lure of money and revenge, train them and start an insurgency West of Kiev; destroy NATO supply convoys, kill policemen etc. This could ultimately give them the same size and heft as the Taliban or ISIS over the years. Of course, they could pull in men from other parts of the world too, Europe has made plenty of enemies. Some would come in for the money, some criminals, some terrorists. None of this has to happen through the Kremlin either, funding can come in from anywhere, particularly MENA.
 
Russia was duty bound to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine by a treaty too, see how that worked out. This is what happens when you set precedents that fly in the face of international law. After annexing South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk on the basis though Russia owned some of them for a couple of centuries, Russia has zero grounds to complain if China takes back territories that were Chinese for millennia. Could get real messy for neighbours that border China, which is why any semi-smart person should be against what Russia's doing in Ukraine. The world really does not want/need Russia to win this war, they might think they do now, but they won't later.

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Are you a retard? When did Nepal, J&K, Himachal belong to China? In fact, Tibet was also not part of ancient China. Tibet also has our most holy place 'Kailash Mansarover' which means India has more claims to Tibet than China.

If China thinks that India is like Ukraine and attacks, we are going to wreck them. India is a military superpower. Don't you ever underestimate us! Both our will-power or our military force.
 
Are you a retard? When did Nepal, J&K, Himachal belong to China? In fact, Tibet was also not part of ancient China. Tibet also has our most holy place 'Kailash Mansarover' which means India has more claims to Tibet than China.

If China thinks that India is like Ukraine and attacks, we are going to wreck them. India is a military superpower. Don't you ever underestimate us! Both our will-power or our military force.
As you say, Jerusalem is one of the holy places of Islam, so does Jerusalem belong to Saudi Arabia? The native Tibetan religion, Bon Religion, originated in Kailash
China has established rule over Tibet since 1264,And established effective rule in the Qing Dynasty,India's lust for Tibet is fundamental to worsening Sino-Indian relations
 
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As you say, Jerusalem is one of the holy places of Islam, so does Jerusalem belong to Saudi Arabia?
Not the most like Mecca/Medina(which is still part of Saudi Arabia).
The native Tibetan religion, Bon Religion, originated in Kailash
China has established rule over Tibet since 1264,And established effective rule in the Qing Dynasty,India's lust for Tibet is fundamental to worsening Sino-Indian relations
Kailash Mansarover is the most holy place for all Hindus in this world. It shows the depths of Indian culture. And talking about Tibet? Tibet follows Buddhist religion, another religion that was created in India.

China's imperialistic/expansionist mindset is what is making them a villain all across the world, especially their neighbours. We don't want Tibet, just want China out of it and Tibet as an independent country.
 
Are you a retard? When did Nepal, J&K, Himachal belong to China? In fact, Tibet was also not part of ancient China. Tibet also has our most holy place 'Kailash Mansarover' which means India has more claims to Tibet than China.

If China thinks that India is like Ukraine and attacks, we are going to wreck them. India is a military superpower. Don't you ever underestimate us! Both our will-power or our military force.
Google it, at various times they held those territories apparently, though likely not at the same time. If states are allowed to just take what they think belongs to them as a result of Russia succeeding then this will be the future. You should think about the wider implications of a Russian victory very carefully.
 
The Taliban did not get anything from others. Maybe money at best.
Of course they did. Money, shelter, weapons.
I am claiming it's a plot, but NATO's gonna have to prove it.
Doesn't have to prove anything. It's geographically impossible for anyone else to be involved except Russia if something kicks off in the Baltics.
It's not about NATO, it's about the rest of the world. You have to make any war on Russia legal in the eyes of the world.
It's a direct attack on NATO territory, there's an immediate need to take defensive action, no time for that fluff. We're not going to sit around debating it whilst we're being attacked LOL. :ROFLMAO:
 
Google it, at various times they held those territories apparently, though likely not at the same time. If states are allowed to just take what they think belongs to them as a result of Russia succeeding then this will be the future. You should think about the wider implications of a Russian victory very carefully.
Absolutely ridiculous argument🤦‍♂️
 
It's not about NATO, it's about the rest of the world. You have to make any war on Russia legal in the eyes of the world.
How much proof did India provide before making the Balakot raid?
Wagner is now an "enemy" to Russia.
Not really.

See? Russia is still very very happily working with Wagner where it's convenient for them. They just don't want to see the Wagner forces on Russian soil. The Wagner center in St. Petersburg is also not going to be closed or taken over either; because it doesn't count as a military presence.
 
Google it, at various times they held those territories apparently, though likely not at the same time. If states are allowed to just take what they think belongs to them as a result of Russia succeeding then this will be the future. You should think about the wider implications of a Russian victory very carefully.

Territorial claims are based on cultural and linguistic lines, not based on who owned a territory eons ago.
Of course they did. Money, shelter, weapons.

Shelter? The Taliban were living under American noses in Afghanistan.

Doesn't have to prove anything. It's geographically impossible for anyone else to be involved except Russia if something kicks off in the Baltics.

No, I mean the Russia-Wagner link will have to be proved. The West has also done a pretty good job distancing Prigozhin from Putin.

It's a direct attack on NATO territory, there's an immediate need to take defensive action, no time for that fluff. We're not going to sit around debating it whilst we're being attacked LOL. :ROFLMAO:

I'm not saying NATO won't do anything, I'm saying NATO will pick and choose the target instead of going all-out on one Big Bad Wolf.
 
How much proof did India provide before making the Balakot raid?

The terrorists claimed it themselves. Even provided video proof.

And we only attacked the terrorists, not the Pakistani establishment. We also used the words "preemptive" and "non-military".

And we have also provided a long list of various proofs along the way since the 90s. So all of it was already very well-established. The difference is the West decided to take it seriously only after the US decided it was important to make India an ally.

Not really.

See? Russia is still very very happily working with Wagner where it's convenient for them. They just don't want to see the Wagner forces on Russian soil. The Wagner center in St. Petersburg is also not going to be closed or taken over either; because it doesn't count as a military presence.

You misunderstood, and I wasn't completely clear. Wagner has splintered obviously. They will have to start renaming the different groups. I had already stated the same in reply to Picdel's post, that nothing will change in Africa with respect to Wagner.

It appears that out of some 30000+ Wagnerites in service in Ukraine, 8000 were part of Prigozhin's coup and will be relocated. The rest will continue operations under MoD. Perhaps with the same name or a new name. Maybe Prigo will have to change the name of his outfit.
 
Territorial claims are based on cultural and linguistic lines, not based on who owned a territory eons ago.
One leads to the other.
Shelter? The Taliban were living under American noses in Afghanistan.
And sometimes sheltering in Iran and sometimes Pakistan.
No, I mean the Russia-Wagner link will have to be proved. The West has also done a pretty good job distancing Prigozhin from Putin.
Not really, Wagner are Russians. If Putin was really serious he should have arrested Prigozhin. Wagner can't get weapons and fuel from anywhere besides Russia.
I'm not saying NATO won't do anything, I'm saying NATO will pick and choose the target instead of going all-out on one Big Bad Wolf.
You're confusing what NATO does when responding to a one-off attacks or bad actors, to what we do when one of our own is attacked directly.