Ukraine - Russia Conflict


I find it weird that they couldn't get enough equipment quickly enough even after 7 months. In India, we equipped our troops far more quickly after Galwan. We even put the ball back in China's court within 2 months. The Russians supplied India with 70000 new AK-203s in 5 months of signature.

Or it's just domestic anti-war propaganda. Showing sporadic instances of ineptitude as the norm.
 
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A large-scale strike with the help of Geran-2 kamikaze drones was inflicted by the Russian army today on October 17. Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal said that kamikaze drones had attacked energy facilities and critical infrastructure in Kyiv. The office of the energy company Ukrenergo was also hit by Russian Geran-2 drones.




Ukrainian army units on French VAB 4×4 armored vehicles with infantry on board came under attack from Russian artillery in the Kherson region. As a result of the attack, two VAB armored vehicles were destroyed. The video also shows another destroyed armored personnel carrier, but its type could not be determined.


In Germany, at one of the railway stations, self-propelled guns Panzerhaubitze 2000 were seen. As reported, an additional batch of self-propelled guns Panzerhaubitze 2000 is being prepared for shipment to Ukraine. Also, the Ukrainian army will receive a new batch of armored vehicles and other equipment. Earlier, several repaired self-propelled guns of the same type were returned from the Baltic States to Ukraine.

 
I find it weird that they couldn't get enough equipment quickly enough even after 7 months. In India, we equipped our troops far more quickly after Galwan.
Russia is incredibly corrupt. There are corruption problems in every country, of course, but Russia is far, far worse than India. It's very hard to fathom just how rotten Russia is, it beggars belief, you think this has to be a caricature, something out of a Saturday Morning cartoon, that it's not humanly possible that things would be as bad as they seem. But they are.

You'll get a clearer picture if you understand that Russia is not a country with a mafia, it's a mafia with a country. Putin is more of a gangleader than he is a statesman.

Remember the soviet era joke about why Russian industry sucks? "They pretend to pays us, we pretend to work for them"? This is kind of like that. They couldn't get the equipment because they didn't have equipment. The equipment they did have was sold on the black market, while still appearing on paper in the inventory. Or they bought it, marking it on paper in their inventory, from companies that did not even have a manufacturing plant and never delivered anything. All that money was spent on mansions in London, yacht on the Azure Coast, suntanning in the Caribbeans, skiing in Switzerland... But yeah, on paper, they pretend to have equipment. They pretend to have troops. Then when they're sent to war, it turns out they have only half the troops they claimed to have (and pocketed the money for the wages of the "ghost troops") and they have only one tenth of the equipment they claim to have.

Russia ended up needing to import weapons from Iran and North Korea! Despite being one of the biggest arms exporter in the world. But everyone cheats the Russian state, because the Russian state cheats everyone. That's why they have to get working weapons from abroad.
Or it's just domestic anti-war propaganda. Showing sporadic instances of ineptitude as the norm.
Anti-war propaganda would not be tolerated on Russian media. Opposing the war gives you 15 years of prison. It's a heavier criminal offense than murder!

Make no mistakes, these pundits are not advocating against the war, they're advocating for more war.
 
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Russia is incredibly corrupt. There are corruption problems in every country, of course, but Russia is far, far worse than India. It's very hard to fathom just how rotten Russia is, it beggars belief, you think this has to be a caricature, something out of a Saturday Morning cartoon, that it's not humanly possible that things would be as bad as they seem. But they are.

You'll get a clearer picture if you understand that Russia is not a country with a mafia, it's a mafia with a country. Putin is more of a gangleader than he is a statesman.

Remember the soviet era joke about why Russian industry sucks? "They pretend to pays us, we pretend to work for them"? This is kind of like that. They couldn't get the equipment because they didn't have equipment. The equipment they did have was sold on the black market, while still appearing on paper in the inventory. Or they bought it, marking it on paper in their inventory, from companies that did not even have a manufacturing plant and never delivered anything. All that money was spent on mansions in London, yacht on the Azure Coast, suntanning in the Caribbeans, skiing in Switzerland... But yeah, on paper, they pretend to have equipment. They pretend to have troops. Then when they're sent to war, it turns out they have only half the troops they claimed to have (and pocketed the money for the wages of the "ghost troops") and they have only one tenth of the equipment they claim to have.

Russia ended up needing to import weapons from Iran and North Korea! Despite being one of the biggest arms exporter in the world. But everyone cheats the Russian state, because the Russian state cheats everyone. That's why they have to get working weapons from abroad.

True. But they will have enough to equip a few hundred thousand troops by now. The SU was even worse than today's Russia, but they equipped 5 million new troops in 6 months during WW2. While I'd agree with your opinion when the conflict started, but 7 months down the line, they should have streamlined everything, regardless of corruption. This is when deadlines and quotas would come in after all, at the pain of imprisonment or death. If producers and commanders don't meet numbers during wartime, heads roll.


Bet he's one of the people you talked about.

There's always time to make money after the war, when reserves need replenishment.

Can't bring in NoKo and Iran here, their reserves are being refreshed, so it's all political and financial, not out of desperation. Plus new tech too, like the kamikaze drones. It's the diversification of supply lines that I have always supported.

Anti-war propaganda would not be tolerated on Russian media. Opposing the war gives you 15 years of prison. It's a heavier criminal offense than murder!

Make no mistakes, these pundits are not advocating against the war, they're advocating for more war.

I'm talking about obscure stuff that comes out in social media, like the father of five being mobilised or they don't have good equipment and so on. Stuff like that is just propaganda or even local rivals trying to take out each other.

So forget the nitty-gritties of the situation, and just look at the progress on the map. If the upcoming Zapo offensive does not cut the land bridge to Crimea, then this war is pretty much over for the Ukrainians because the Russians are mobilising. The Russians seem to be doubling the size of their army, while also creating a massive reserve force. And we are most definitely looking at massive long term militarisation as well. What I used to say about Russia's defence budget being underestimated over the last few years is coming true. They are planning on building 100 Su-57s a year. So Western Europe's gonna have to follow suit. Propaganda can't survive reality.
 
So, NATO is much more involved than providing Weapons & Intelligence, Planning, etc.
Who would have thought? :eek:
Russia had 12,000 troops in the Donbass from 2014-2022 without acknowledging it.

True. But they will have enough to equip a few hundred thousand troops by now. The SU was even worse than today's Russia, but they equipped 5 million new troops in 6 months during WW2. While I'd agree with your opinion when the conflict started, but 7 months down the line, they should have streamlined everything, regardless of corruption. This is when deadlines and quotas would come in after all, at the pain of imprisonment or death. If producers and commanders don't meet numbers during wartime, heads roll.
Russia had allies supplying them during WWII.
 
True. But they will have enough to equip a few hundred thousand troops by now. The SU was even worse than today's Russia, but they equipped 5 million new troops in 6 months during WW2. While I'd agree with your opinion when the conflict started, but 7 months down the line, they should have streamlined everything, regardless of corruption. This is when deadlines and quotas would come in after all, at the pain of imprisonment or death. If producers and commanders don't meet numbers during wartime, heads roll.


Bet he's one of the people you talked about.

There's always time to make money after the war, when reserves need replenishment.

Can't bring in NoKo and Iran here, their reserves are being refreshed, so it's all political and financial, not out of desperation. Plus new tech too, like the kamikaze drones. It's the diversification of supply lines that I have always supported.



I'm talking about obscure stuff that comes out in social media, like the father of five being mobilised or they don't have good equipment and so on. Stuff like that is just propaganda or even local rivals trying to take out each other.

So forget the nitty-gritties of the situation, and just look at the progress on the map. If the upcoming Zapo offensive does not cut the land bridge to Crimea, then this war is pretty much over for the Ukrainians because the Russians are mobilising. The Russians seem to be doubling the size of their army, while also creating a massive reserve force. And we are most definitely looking at massive long term militarisation as well. What I used to say about Russia's defence budget being underestimated over the last few years is coming true. They are planning on building 100 Su-57s a year. So Western Europe's gonna have to follow suit. Propaganda can't survive reality.
What happened to the 1.35m active personal that Russia was supposed to have already? Just goes to show you that sometimes these global firepower rankings are BS.


Diversification of supply lines is just another way of saying ill-equipped and desperate here. Since when does Russia buy weapons from outside its borders?

Russia is the invader here, they're supposed to be the ones on the offensive remember? The fact we're even talking about Ukrainian offensives proves this war is already over, it's just a case of when Putin decides to get it through his thick skull. Only recently 40,000 well-trained Ukrainian personnel came from UK, France and Germany alone. How many of Putin's kidnap victims have reached the front yet? 20 of them have been shot before they even finished training, with more of the same likely to come.
 

Ukraine Situation Report: Small Gains, Big Troop Losses For Both Sides

Ukraine’s troops have gotten close enough to Russian forces in Kherson and Kharkiv that it’s reduced the use of HIMARS, the Pentagon says.

Ukraine is continuing to make “small gains” in its counteroffensives in both the east and the south, with the biggest advances in the Kherson Oblast, a senior U.S. military official told reporters Friday. The advances are allowing Ukrainian forces to spare their expenditures of Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System, or GMLRS rounds fired by High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) and M270 launchers. But there’s been a “pretty high impact” in terms of troop losses for both sides.

The Russians, meanwhile, have fired "hundreds" of missiles at Ukraine in retaliation for the Kerch Bridge attack last week, said the official, speaking to reporters, including from The War Zone, on condition of anonymity.

"The use of precision-guided munitions in a very imprecise way, has continued over the course of the week," the official said. "In most cases, they have been used at civilian targets either indiscriminately or in a deliberate way as it relates to infrastructure targets like electricity or bridges or otherwise."

On the battlefield, "there is probably more movement in Kherson than anywhere else on the battlespace,” said the official.

Ukrainian forces “continue to advance…just north of the city of Mylove and then extending essentially to the north and west, with a number of small towns and villages that the Ukrainians have been able to clear of the Russians.”

The Russians “have moved back from their reestablished frontlines after the beginning of this [Ukrainian counteroffensive] six weeks ago, and are establishing defenses further south.”

The Ukrainians are also making “incremental gains in that central access,” the official said. “Not a lot of advancement - we're talking kilometers as they move.”

That’s resulted in “two coinciding axis that are starting to force the Russians to make some decisions in terms of how they want to choose to defend.”

There has not been “a huge number of movements outside of Kherson City in terms of the Ukrainians, but certainly not any Russian gains in that portion of the battlespace,” the official said.

Ukraine had been making tremendous gains since launching its Kharkiv counteroffensive in the east.

But things have slowed down for Ukraine, which has made “limited” gains there over the last week, the official said. The Russians, however, “continue to strengthen their defenses” there. There are some “very minor incremental gains, really all the way from the northern portion of the Kharkiv area of operations down towards Lyman,” the official said. “But really limited in terms of movement this week.”

In Donetsk, “it is similar but the other way. We've seen the Russians continue to work to attack the Ukrainians around Bakhmut. Those gains have also been very small for the Russians. And at times, we've seen the Ukrainians counterattack with effectiveness to retake land that the Russians had previously taken.”

“All of those attacks on both sides are coming with pretty high impact in terms of the employment of artillery and the losses to the sides who are making those advances.”

There were no real changes to the Russian advances in the Zaporizhzhia region, the official said.
“Like you all, we continue to watch this operation with added care, just given the nuclear power plant. We have seen artillery that's landed in and around the Zaporizhzhia area, but nothing that's caused us a great concern this week” with regards to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, Europe's largest.

Though Ukraine has only made incremental advances this week, their counteroffensives have gained enough ground that they don’t have to use GMLRS, which has a greater range and is far more accurate than standard howitzer rounds.

While the Pentagon has closely guarded the number of GMLRS it has provided Ukraine, they have received orders of magnitude more howitzer rounds, according to Pentagon records. You can read our previous report on concerns over the supply of GMLRS rockets here.

Ukraine’s counteroffensives “have placed a good portion of that battle space under artillery range of standard artillery, not GMLRS, and so you've seen them employ fewer GMLRS recently because they just don't need to,” the official said. “They can range the Russian targets they want to hit with standard artillery."

In the maritime area of operations, the Russians have about a half dozen ships in the Black Sea, including about three that are capable of firing Kalibr cruise missiles, the official said.

Those ships fired four Kalibrs on Thursday, all of which the Pentagon believes were intercepted by Ukrainian air defense systems, according to the official.

Since Russia began its missile and drone barrage on Ukraine in the wake of last week’s attack on the Kerch Bridge, Ukraine's air defenses were able to shoot down about half of the 80 incoming missiles in the first 24 hours the senior Pentagon official said.

What’s unknown, the official said, is how many air defense missiles Ukraine had to expend to do that.

Pentagon leaders spent a good part of this week in Brussels with NATO allies working on plans to improve Ukraine’s air defenses, which you can read more about here.

Given how many high-precision missiles Russia has fired this week alone, questions have arisen about how many they have left.
Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, told Ukrainian media that Russia has less than 30% of its stock of high-precision missiles left since launching its full-on invasion Feb. 24.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said Russia has a little more than 600 high-precision munitions left in its arsenal.

The U.S. official could not confirm those figures but said “the numbers of precision missiles that the Russians have fired since the beginning of the fight are pretty extensive.”

The fact that Russia has turned to Iran for drones “speaks to their concerns associated with precision munitions. So every one of them fired is probably a very careful consideration for the Russians.”


Economic sanctions placed on Russia since its all-out invasion have likely reduced its ability to regenerate its precision-guided missile stocks, the official added.

“We have to believe that the sanctions are having an impact on their defense industrial base and the ability to regenerate in particular those precision munitions.”

As for the precision of Russia’s missile strikes, “I would love to think that missiles that are going into the side of apartment buildings are not meant to hit apartment buildings,” the official said. “I don't know that you can make that assertion because we've seen pretty indiscriminate attacks [by] the Russians."
 
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Don't know if posted here but Russian S 300V4 shot down a Ukrainian SU 27 accompanied by a Su 24MR at 217 km range ( probably a world record )
in March.... Russian S 400 shot down a Su 27 over Kiev airspace at a range of 150 km
Military Watch Magazine
 
True. But they will have enough to equip a few hundred thousand troops by now. The SU was even worse than today's Russia, but they equipped 5 million new troops in 6 months during WW2. While I'd agree with your opinion when the conflict started, but 7 months down the line, they should have streamlined everything, regardless of corruption. This is when deadlines and quotas would come in after all, at the pain of imprisonment or death. If producers and commanders don't meet numbers during wartime, heads roll.
There is enuf arms floating around specially AK series, they can just buy it of open market if they want. More ever AK guns are simple types not something hard to manufacture. Its just the losers propaganda has gone bonkers.
 
So forget the nitty-gritties of the situation, and just look at the progress on the map. If the upcoming Zapo offensive does not cut the land bridge to Crimea, then this war is pretty much over for the Ukrainians because the Russians are mobilising.
"Pretty much over for the Ukrainians" was what people were saying eight months ago. Turned out the Ukrainians know how to fight.
The Russians seem to be doubling the size of their army, while also creating a massive reserve force. And we are most definitely looking at massive long term militarisation as well.
The Russians are throwing meat to the meatgrinder, they're not creating an army.
What I used to say about Russia's defence budget being underestimated over the last few years is coming true.
You mean their yachting budget.
They are planning on building 100 Su-57s a year. So Western Europe's gonna have to follow suit. Propaganda can't survive reality.
If they could build modern machines by the hundred, they'd be rolling into Ukraine with T-14s. Instead, they're rolling into Ukraine with T-62s. Soon it'll be T-55s, and then T-34s.

They don't have the machine tools, they don't have the electronic components, they certainly don't have the electro-optic components, to produce modern materiel. They also don't have the workforce -- since they're just grabbing anyone that looks vaguely healthy and male to the frontline, without caring about whether their job is actually useful. A few days ago there was that funny story about a flight where passengers were told to get out of the airliner, the flight was canceled, because the copilot had been mobilized...
 
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Propaganda can't survive reality.
as long west controls the social media they keep will pumping it up however different the ground reality may be. They dont want to lose the narrative as it will have impact beyond the ukraine-russia border. In this thread itself we can see source less ,fact less bland in your face holier than thou propaganda being pumped up all the time.
 
as long west controls the social media they keep will pumping it up however different the ground reality may be. They dont want to lose the narrative as it will have impact beyond the ukraine-russia border. In this thread itself we can see source less ,fact less bland in your face holier than thou propaganda being pumped up all the time.
War started between a humongous military power like Russia and punny military country like Ukrain in February 2022, its October now. If you still beleive that Ukrainian advancement are mere western propoganda, then you have serious problems in accepting the reality.
 
Russian plane has crashed into house in Krasnodar Krai, Eysk, Russia.


For some reason Livemap is now showing red inside Russia.



as long west controls the social media they keep will pumping it up however different the ground reality may be. They dont want to lose the narrative as it will have impact beyond the ukraine-russia border. In this thread itself we can see source less ,fact less bland in your face holier than thou propaganda being pumped up all the time.
When was the last time Russia advanced? As far as I can tell from Livemap, it was about 2 months ago in August sometime. Ukraine doesn't have to force Russia out remember, they just have to hold out until Russia is bankrupt.
 
The reason why Ukrainians fight well is that they just don't have a choice. Every day, they find a new mass grave in the areas they have liberated from the orcs. The Ukrainians know that everywhere the Russians set foot, pillage, torture and murder follow. And rape. Did you know that while Russian soldiers don't get correct equipment, they do get free generic viagra pills? It's because rape is part of their war doctrine. Yes, there's a reason they've earned the "orc" nickname.
So if the Ukrainians don't fight, they will be genocided. Putin himself has said that the Ukrainian nation did not exist, and that they were going to erase it.

On the other hand, the Russians fight poorly because they only fight because their God-Emperor Putin told them to. The only perspective they have in this war is that if they die, their widow will get a Lada. That's all it means to them.

Additionally, the Ujkrainians are equipped with modern Western weapons and trained by NATO countries; the Russians are equipped with Soviet leftovers and not trained at all.
 
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^^Says someone whose ancestors slayed poor Red Indians in North America. So who's the true Orc? Russians or French?

Where were you when Ukraine was killing innocent Russian speaking people? Putin/Russia is fighting for their existence and they would prevail despite your propaganda. And if they fail, only Russia won't fall but the whole world........
 
If the upcoming Zapo offensive does not cut the land bridge to Crimea, then this war is pretty much over for the Ukrainians because the Russians are mobilising. The Russians seem to be doubling the size of their army, while also creating a massive reserve force. And we are most definitely looking at massive long term militarisation as well.
Regional governors send hundreds of thousands of men in bulk to the sorting centers to meet the required numbers. When they arrived at the sorting center, those who could really serve or who could not afford to pay an exemption were seen.

Those who cannot get through will then discover that the equipment depots are largely empty, due to lack of organization or lack of anticipation except for the increase in the bank account of some. Thus, we are still looking for, among others, hundreds of thousands of winter outfits that have probably been paid for, but never manufactured.

If the 200,000 mobilized troops announced by Minister Shugu are sent immediately and in small packages directly to the combat units on the front line, and the units are not numerous enough to be much elsewhere, they will not strengthen them but on the contrary will plummet them. Fragile and unskilled rookies are dead weight there, figuratively at first before they really are.