United State's NGAD & F/A-XX Fighter Programs : Updates and Discussions

Full access to the performance or the technology? It's 30 years old now anyway.
We have developed the tech by ourselves.
That's not actually sensor fusion. And it won't help, because when cued it will still see nothing.

There's something you need to understand about how IRST works, it's basically an optical telescope, scanning very small windows at range. It's slow and it can be out-manoeuvred by a stealth fighter that already knows where you are. But if NGAD is capable of Mach 4-5 at over 30km altitude with distributed radar, AIM-260 will wipe out any Su-30 or Su-57 out from >200km away.
I fully understand how IRST works and so does a Super Hornet pilot:

The IRST is a “stealth equalizer” says the former Super Hornet pilot I interviewed, adding that the high quality IRST which the Block III and other U.S. fighters employ can “pick up gliders as well as F-117s, B-2s, F-22s and F-35s even in the forward quarter at well over 100 miles.”

So B-2, F-22/35 can be picked over 100 miles away even in frontal aspect(subsonic).

According to Super Hornet pilot, this capability of new IRST is "holy s h i t":

That’s the holy **** capability the IRST brings,” he concludes.

So as per a Super Hornet pilot, IRST(new gen) is:

1. Stealth Equalizer

2. Holy s h i t.

Link: U.S. Navy Just Got Its First New F/A-18 Super Hornets — Here Are The Key Upgrades

So it is not me who doesn't understand how IRST works but it's you who is undermining its efficacy. Like it or not, IRST would continue to evolve to the point that your stealth/VLO advantage is fully nullified.
 
We have developed the tech by ourselves.

I fully understand how IRST works and so does a Super Hornet pilot:



So B-2, F-22/35 can be picked over 100 miles away even in frontal aspect(subsonic).

According to Super Hornet pilot, this capability of new IRST is "holy s h i t":



So as per a Super Hornet pilot, IRST(new gen) is:

1. Stealth Equalizer

2. Holy s h i t.

Link: U.S. Navy Just Got Its First New F/A-18 Super Hornets — Here Are The Key Upgrades

So it is not me who doesn't understand how IRST works but it's you who is undermining its efficacy. Like it or not, IRST would continue to evolve to the point that your stealth/VLO advantage is fully nullified.
If that were really true how come the US, UK, Japan, South Korea, Italy, France, Germany, India, Russia and China are all developing VLO aircraft?

Clearly something does not fit. :unsure:
 
If that were really true how come the US, UK, Japan, South Korea, Italy, France, Germany, India, Russia and China are all developing VLO aircraft?

Clearly something does not fit. :unsure:
Does the shield render the sword useless? All of these nations are also developing cutting... nah bleeding edge QWIP and QDIP IRST too.

Super Hornet pilot has clearly stated how good modern LWIR IRSTs have become and his statement clearly proves that you are wrong. Accept it and move it.
 
Does the shield render the sword useless? All of these nations are also developing cutting... nah bleeding edge QWIP and QDIP IRST too.

Super Hornet pilot has clearly stated how good modern LWIR IRSTs have become and his statement clearly proves that you are wrong. Accept it and move it.
If it did, people wouldn't waste money on developing stealth aircraft, it would all be pumped into IRST. The truth is that IRST doesn't do targeting at range very well and doesn't work for sh*t through bad weather either. Detection =! Targeting at range, you need radar lock for that.
 
If it did, people wouldn't waste money on developing stealth aircraft, it would all be pumped into IRST. The truth is that IRST doesn't do targeting at range very well and doesn't work for sh*t through bad weather either. Detection =! Targeting at range, you need radar lock for that.
Will you just let him live in his delusional world.
 

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Taking advantage of breakthrough advances developed in the black world in the last 30 years, one of the main features of the new fighter is the ability to be entirely 3D printed almost instantaneously, potentially enabling the production of large volumes of fighters during a hypothetical conflict. A lifting body arrowhead shape was found to be the most effective design balancing cost, stealth, maneuverability, range and other attributes, while maximizing internal volume available for fuel and payload. The aircraft makes use of active flow control and fluidic thrust vectoring, limiting the number of control surfaces required to only four. Also, the lack of a visible nozzle indicates it employs a novel exhaust system that greatly reduces the IR signature of the engine(RIVET). The technologies inside this airframe are so advanced that it even, although in a limited way, employs antigravity tech, to maneuver while on the ground, removing the need for landing gear wheels.




 
If it did, people wouldn't waste money on developing stealth aircraft, it would all be pumped into IRST. The truth is that IRST doesn't do targeting at range very well and doesn't work for sh*t through bad weather either. Detection =! Targeting at range, you need radar lock for that.
Stealth has its own advantages. IRST won't completely nullify it as it does have its limitations. But modern IRSTs are becoming a counter to stealth fighters as that Super Hornet fighter alluded to. He knows what he is talking about.
 
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How is it a counter if the stealth plane can still shoot you down long before you can shoot him down? It's only effective on an equivalent stealth aircraft with an appropriate sensor fusion package.
 
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How is it a counter if the stealth plane can still shoot you down long before you can shoot him down? It's only effective on an equivalent stealth aircraft with an appropriate sensor fusion package.
Lol, it's not me but USN Super Hornet pilot who dubbed SH's new IRST pod as 'stealth equalizer'. And he knows a thing or two about air combat much more than you and your wise cronies @Innominate and @Optimist.

This is my last post regarding this topic. Let's continue about the main topic, i.e., NGAD. Shall we?
 
Lol, it's not me but USN Super Hornet pilot who dubbed SH's new IRST pod as 'stealth equalizer'. And he knows a thing or two about air combat much more than you and your wise cronies @Innominate and @Optimist.

This is my last post regarding this topic. Let's continue about the main topic, i.e., NGAD. Shall we?
He's never flown a block 3 he's never flown with the new IRST pod, against stealth aircraft and he's a test pilot for Boeing... It's called embellishing. :rolleyes:
 
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^What he said.
Lol, it's not me but USN Super Hornet pilot who dubbed SH's new IRST pod as 'stealth equalizer'. And he knows a thing or two about air combat much more than you and your wise cronies @Innominate and @Optimist.

This is my last post regarding this topic. Let's continue about the main topic, i.e., NGAD. Shall we?
It was you who took us on a detour of BS. The guy's a Boeing employee, it's the same as a Dassault employee crowing about the Rafale.
 
He's never flown a block 3 he's never flown with the new IRST pod, against stealth aircraft and he's a test pilot for Boeing... It's called embellishing. :rolleyes:
^What he said.

It was you who took us on a detour of BS. The guy's a Boeing employee, it's the same as a Dassault employee crowing about the Rafale.

It's true that the former Super Hornet pilot is Boeing employee. But that stealth pod is developed by Lockheed Martin. And that pod, ie, IRST 21 is not only an option for SH Block 3 but even for F-16s and F-15s. So your point is moot.

The IRST Block II sensor gives Navy fighters extended range and increasing survivability," Kenen Nelson, the Director of Fixed Wing Programs at Lockheed Martin, which builds the IRST21 sensor that the Block III Super Hornets will use, said in a statement. "This technology will help the Navy maintain its advantage over potential adversaries for many years."

Link: Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet Takes Flight With New Infrared Search And Track Pod


Lockheed Martin also builds these stealth fighters. The claim regarding IRST 21 picking gliders, F-117, F-22, F-35 and B-2 from over 100 miles away is true. It doesn't matter whether you folks like it or not.
 
It's true that the former Super Hornet pilot is Boeing employee. But that stealth pod is developed by Lockheed Martin. And that pod, ie, IRST 21 is not only an option for SH Block 3 but even for F-16s and F-15s. So your point is moot.



Link: Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet Takes Flight With New Infrared Search And Track Pod


Lockheed Martin also builds these stealth fighters. The claim regarding IRST 21 picking gliders, F-117, F-22, F-35 and B-2 from over 100 miles away is true. It doesn't matter whether you folks like it or not.
The IRST21 hasn't been deployed, dopus, especially when he gave this interview so YOUR point is.... DUHHHH. Get it now?
 
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The IRST21 hasn't been deployed, dopus, especially when he gave this interview so YOUR point is.... DUHHHH. Get it now?
IRST21 has been operationally deployed on F-15s as part of Legion pod. They have been combat tested in exercise Northern Edge 2021 too. Wanna proof, Sweetie? Here it is:

The U.S. Air Force and Lockheed Martin took the opportunity of the recent Northern Edge large force exercise in Alaska to trial a new datalink capability for the Legion Pod, which carries an infrared search and track (IRST) system, and is capable of accommodating other sensors and more. The resulting update means fighters carrying the pods are able to accurately determine the range of different aerial threats, providing higher-quality telemetry on targets, thus making them better able to engage them with their weapons, at long range, all without giving away their presence.

The datalink breakthrough that was demonstrated at Northern Edge essentially coupled a pair of Legion Pods together, on two different Air Force F-15C fighter jets, so that the range of any given target could be determined “near instantaneously,” according to Lockheed Martin. An infrared search and track sensor, Lockheed Martin’s IRST21, is at the heart of the Legion Pod and is designed to passively detect and track other aircraft at extended ranges.

Source: Legion Infrared Search And Track Pods Can Now Carry Their Own Datalinks For More Lethal Targeting

Legion Pod has been operational for years now. IRST21 attaches on nose section of an EFT in Super Hornet. Your post proves that you don't know sh*t about your own military. Not surprising looking at IQ levels of you and your 2 other cronies, lol.
 
IRST21 has been operationally deployed on F-15s as part of Legion pod. They have been combat tested in exercise Northern Edge 2021 too. Wanna proof, Sweetie? Here it is:





Source: Legion Infrared Search And Track Pods Can Now Carry Their Own Datalinks For More Lethal Targeting

Legion Pod has been operational for years now. IRST21 attaches on nose section of an EFT in Super Hornet. Your post proves that you don't know sh*t about your own military. Not surprising looking at IQ levels of you and your 2 other cronies, lol.
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Once again you don't get it, do you? IRST21 is mounted on nose of a fuel tank for SH Block 3. But it's fully operational as part of Legion Pod mounted on F-15C. In fact, last year it got IOC too:

The Air Force reached initial operating capability on its latest infrared search and track pod integrated on the F-15C Eagle, Jan. 21, 2022.

The IRST pod, known as the Legion Pod, is a sensor that uses the infrared spectrum to help pilots to track and engage enemy aircraft in environments, where traditional radar technology is denied. The pod also provides a way of monitoring enemy aircraft from extended ranges that normally go undetected, boosting the effectiveness of the F-15C and its ability to dominate the battlespace.

“In today’s warfighting environment, not only do we have the capability and technology to jam and counter radar, but our enemies do, too,” said Maj. Daniel Hermanski, ACC’s F-15 requirements branch chief. “This pod is the next step for countering jamming technology and allowing our warfighters to fight and track the enemy in contested environments.”

According to Lockheed Martin, the Legion Pod can accommodate additional sensors within its structure, making the task of integrating new capabilities possible with minimal aircraft modifications. The versatility and adaptability of the pod design provides for integration on other fighter aircraft such as the F-16 and F-15EX.

“It’s a game-changer,” said Todd Mathes, ACC’s F-15C program element monitor. “The capabilities this pod provides are critical to the way we provide combat power and keeps us at the leading edge of the fight.”

As the lead major command for all fighters, ACC is responsible for equipping the fighter force regardless of whether they own the unit operationally. Reaching IOC on this pod is an example of ACC’s continued collaboration with fighter units across the Air Force and the test and evaluation squadrons at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida and Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.

“We work closely with our Air Force and industry partners to identify and eliminate gaps in our capabilities, which our enemies would attempt to exploit,” said Mathes. “This allows us to field and test new technologies to determine the best fit to give us an edge in battlefield decision making.”

The Legion Pod is projected to reach full operational capability later this year as the remaining contracted pods are delivered to tactical F-15C squadrons.

Source: Legion Pod reaches IOC

Anyways, we have digressed too much from the topic in hand. Let's discuss NGAD and take this discussion elsewhere if you want to continue further.
 


So, now NG is out from USAF NGAD. Only Boeing and LM remain in the competition.
Let's see how much trust USAF has on LM after the F-35 fiasco! I was hoping(against hope) for Northrop Grumman to win NGAD contract. But then USAF would have like to diversify their suppliers as NG are already supplying B-21. So no NGAD contract to them.

Now all hopes on NgAD or F/A-XX for NG. However most likely result would be LM winning NGAD and Boeing winning NgAD.

So NG = B-21(B-2s replacement also from them).

LM= NGAD(F-22 replacement which is also from them).

Boeing= NgAD( F/A-18E/F replacement which is also from them).

Damn, more things change, more they remain the same:ROFLMAO:.