US - Iran Flare Up
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Few days ago Trump was considering meeting Rouhani and visiting Iran now after 2 attacks on ARAMCO oil depots suddenly things are heating up again.
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And Iran Revolutionary Guard commander has directly threatened US by saying all bases and ships of US are in range of Iranian missiles.
Pompeo-
And Iran Revolutionary Guard commander has directly threatened US by saying all bases and ships of US are in range of Iranian missiles.
Boyz.. I am going out to get my bike and car tanks fully loaded.. Half of Saudi production is offline temporarily due to the attacks on saudi oil processing facilities... Prices are gonna shoot up. Advise you to do the same...
Between, India has struck Pakistani territory, for an attack by Pakistani proxies. When, will the US grow the balls to do the same to Iran ? They can hit an IRGC facility.. as they have already designated it a terror organization
Between, India has struck Pakistani territory, for an attack by Pakistani proxies. When, will the US grow the balls to do the same to Iran ? They can hit an IRGC facility.. as they have already designated it a terror organization
For some strange reason there's been no movement in price yet.
Oil chart, oil price graph - MoneyWeek
Oil chart, oil price graph - MoneyWeek
Iran is proving too hot to handle for US and Saudia, will US surender to Iran? Kim Jong proved too tough, Taliban kept killing them and now Iran, so much winning, will Trump's dream of surrendering to at least one enemy come true?
The kind of impact few drones have on Saudi oil industry is exceptional. Houthis are kicking *censored* from one side, Iran from other, Syrian and Iraqi safe heavens only makes thing difficult for Saudi Arabia and they are struggling, no more chest thumping like wiping out Iran in 8 hours?
PressTV-Saudi prince brags Riyadh can wipe out Iran in '8 hours'
The kind of impact few drones have on Saudi oil industry is exceptional. Houthis are kicking *censored* from one side, Iran from other, Syrian and Iraqi safe heavens only makes thing difficult for Saudi Arabia and they are struggling, no more chest thumping like wiping out Iran in 8 hours?
PressTV-Saudi prince brags Riyadh can wipe out Iran in '8 hours'
I get the feeling you are trying to say "Btw" or "By the way", and not "between".
Attack on Saudi Arabia came from Iran: US official
Attack on Saudi Arabia came from Iran: US official
AFP•September 17, 2019
US President Donald Trump said it "would look to most" like Iran was behind the attack on Saudi Arabia (AFP Photo/MANDEL NGAN)
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Washington (AFP) - The United States has concluded that the weekend attack on Saudi oil facilities was launched from Iranian soil and cruise missiles were involved, a US official told AFP on Tuesday.
The official, who declined to be identified, said the United States was gathering evidence about the attack to present to the international community, notably European allies, at the UN General Assembly next week.
Asked if Washington was certain that the missiles had been launched from Iranian soil, the official answered: "Yes."
US intelligence services have the capability of determining where the missiles were launched from, the official said, declining, however, to say how many were fired.
"I will not get into that kind of details," the official said.
The weekend strikes on Abqaiq –- the world's largest oil processing facility –- and the Khurais oil field in eastern Saudi Arabia have roiled global energy markets.
Yemen's Iran-aligned Huthi rebels claimed responsibility for Saturday's attacks but Saudi Arabia accused Iran and President Donald Trump also singled out Tehran.
"Certainly, it would look to most like it was Iran," Trump said Monday.
The president said the United States wanted to help its Saudi ally but he wanted to avoid a war.
Tensions between Iran and the United States and its allies have threatened to boil over since May last year when Trump abandoned a 2015 nuclear deal and began reimposing sanctions in its campaign of "maximum pressure."
Attack on Saudi Arabia came from Iran: US official
AFP•September 17, 2019
US President Donald Trump said it "would look to most" like Iran was behind the attack on Saudi Arabia (AFP Photo/MANDEL NGAN)
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Washington (AFP) - The United States has concluded that the weekend attack on Saudi oil facilities was launched from Iranian soil and cruise missiles were involved, a US official told AFP on Tuesday.
The official, who declined to be identified, said the United States was gathering evidence about the attack to present to the international community, notably European allies, at the UN General Assembly next week.
Asked if Washington was certain that the missiles had been launched from Iranian soil, the official answered: "Yes."
US intelligence services have the capability of determining where the missiles were launched from, the official said, declining, however, to say how many were fired.
"I will not get into that kind of details," the official said.
The weekend strikes on Abqaiq –- the world's largest oil processing facility –- and the Khurais oil field in eastern Saudi Arabia have roiled global energy markets.
Yemen's Iran-aligned Huthi rebels claimed responsibility for Saturday's attacks but Saudi Arabia accused Iran and President Donald Trump also singled out Tehran.
"Certainly, it would look to most like it was Iran," Trump said Monday.
The president said the United States wanted to help its Saudi ally but he wanted to avoid a war.
Tensions between Iran and the United States and its allies have threatened to boil over since May last year when Trump abandoned a 2015 nuclear deal and began reimposing sanctions in its campaign of "maximum pressure."
Official: Israel backs 'clever' sanctions policy against Iran after Saudi attack
Official: Israel backs 'clever' sanctions policy against Iran after Saudi attack
Israeli Ambassador: Iran is a threat to the stability of the world
Israel supports increased sanctions against Iran, Israel’s Consul General to New York Dani Dayan said on Wednesday, as fallout from the attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities reverberated around the world.
On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump tweeted that he instructed Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin to “substantially increase sanctions on the country of Iran,” as evidence mounted that Tehran may have been involved in the drone assault that temporarily crippled Saudi production.
Speaking to Yahoo Finance, the official said that Israel “definitely supports the policy of sanctions.”
Although neither the U.S. or Saudi Arabia have announced plans to retaliate militarily, Dayan backed more economic pressure on Tehran as “the right thing to do.”
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “said that this year the GDP of Iran will decline by 12-14%.
Official: Israel backs 'clever' sanctions policy against Iran after Saudi attack
Israeli Ambassador: Iran is a threat to the stability of the world
Israel supports increased sanctions against Iran, Israel’s Consul General to New York Dani Dayan said on Wednesday, as fallout from the attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities reverberated around the world.
On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump tweeted that he instructed Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin to “substantially increase sanctions on the country of Iran,” as evidence mounted that Tehran may have been involved in the drone assault that temporarily crippled Saudi production.
Speaking to Yahoo Finance, the official said that Israel “definitely supports the policy of sanctions.”
Although neither the U.S. or Saudi Arabia have announced plans to retaliate militarily, Dayan backed more economic pressure on Tehran as “the right thing to do.”
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “said that this year the GDP of Iran will decline by 12-14%.
Naa... A typical article which goes with the direction the wind is blowing. If the US pummels Iran tomorrow, and Iran is on the backfoot.. then, there will be an article about how smart Trump is...
Although Trump might turn out to be a pussy at the end; I have a nagging feeling that, by saying he does not want war, and that war is the last option; he is putting a case before the US electorate that he is against new overseas wars and is an isolationist at heart. Iran will definitely strike again, and Trump will still say that he does not want war. But, the tide of public opinion in America will start turning slowly, as more and more people see that by repeatedly attacking American allies or American assets, Iran is not just humiliating trump, but humiliating America and all Americans in general. So, when Trump finally strikes Iran, most of Trump's voters will see that Trump was actually backed into a corner by repeated iranian attacks, and he ordered military strikes on Iran to defend American honour. The public will then be ready to accept American war casualties, and Trump's re-election prospects won't be jeopardized.
But then, I might be wrong and Trump might really turn out to be a pussy, and remove sanctions on Iran..
What if neither happens and they only pummel UAE & KSA and their clients leaving alone Chinese & European tankers?
That's not possible.. There will come a time when America will have to choose between a kinetic response to Iranian attacks on Saudi/UAE or vacate it's bases in the middle east, and hence give up on an entire region. Because, there is only so much pain that UAE or Saudis can bear, if all they see is a future with more Iranian attacks on their infrastructure. If the US does not retaliate militarily after the next few big attacks ( which will happen ), then, Iran will offer the Arabs a choice ( reminds me of Don Corleone ) that the attacks will stop, if the US is kicked out of all its bases in the UAE/Saudi/Kuwait.. And the Arabs will kick Uncle Sam out, if all they see in their future is a combination of sanctions and military inaction...
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Then Iran will definitely be attacked. The only motivation Trump has not to go to war is economic damage and election promises, but if serious economic damage is done via the targeting of oil tankers anyway, then Iran will get pummelled, because if the economy loses, you lose elections regardless.
Iran's ability to interfere with shipping depends on its navy, and that can be wiped in a single day without ever setting foot on Iranian soil or even flying in Iranian airspace, hence minimal casualties, if any. That would be followed by a naval blockade and a no fly zone over the Strait of Hormuz for Iranian jets.
So some people are very naive in their thinking that America would have to get bogged down in another Iraq-like scenario.
@BMD.. Answer a question with yes or no... Do you think the US is ready to have around a 1000 US soldiers killed in a span of 2 months to destroy Iran's war fighting capacity.. while also substantially degrading the war fighting capabilities of Iranian proxies... That is , is it ready to shed serious blood in a short span in a high intensity war, to re-establish dominance and renew pax-americana in the middle east (what we call Varchasva in Hindi)
Not at present, without severe provocation.
But... that isn't their only option. Iran's main hand is their control over the strait of Hormuz, the US can certainly end that very, very quickly, and wipe out the Iranian navy if they were to target oil tankers. Cruise missile attacks on mainland targets are also an easy option along with a no fly zone over the strait of Hormuz. Basically restricting the engagement to a clear and easily achievable objective that can be attained without even triple digit casualties, rather than venturing into the hearts and minds and rebuilding bullcrap.
War is not a one way street. Take a look at a satellite image of US air bases in the middle east like Al udeid. Many US aircraft are out in the open and not in hardened shelters. The defence systems are mostly point defence and are not tailor made to handle medium range ballistic missiles. As demonstrated by the abqaiq attack, US defence analysts are stunned at the accuracy of the attacks. Iran has thousands of missiles including ballistic and cruise, and many of them will get through causing military deaths and damage to assets.. Missiles from Iranian proxies will cause significant damage too. It will not be without costs for the US..