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December 5, 2021

UAE defence ministry says French warplanes not a substitute for U.S. jets

December 14, 2021

UAE told the U.S. it will suspend talks on F-35 jets -Emirati official

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Suspend not terminate. Btw it's not just F-35 it's a whole package of weapon systems but unfortunately for a frenchy like you the F-35 has mentally haunted you that all that is in your mind is F-35. What are you going to do when UAE finally decides to go a long with what Biden wants or Biden caves and a deal goes through? It's funny how when Trump was president the buying the french plane wasn't even a conversation but the F-35 was.
 
Suspend not terminate. Btw it's not just F-35 it's a whole package of weapon systems but unfortunately for a frenchy like you the F-35 has mentally haunted you that all that is in your mind is F-35. What are you going to do when UAE finally decides to go a long with what Biden wants or Biden caves and a deal goes through? It's funny how when Trump was president the buying the french plane wasn't even a conversation but the F-35 was.

Come down to earth, this is a chess game: We sacrificed our queen but we put your king in checkmate.

For you, success means winning in competitions between different hunters, and for that anything is allowed, no matter what the method. Your goal is more or less world hegemony and therefore you have to win everything. In this approach the qualities of the aircraft count a little, but not much: the power of the USA, its extraterritorial laws, its ITAR or CAASTA rules, its diplomatic influence and its will to destroy European military aeronautics and the propaganda that presents the aircraft as a marvel count much more.

This is why the F-35 is half as expensive in Finland as it is in the UAE, the Americans, when they want to win a contract, are able to listen to the most secret conversations and adapt the prices to be unbeatable.

Our objective is not world hegemony, nor even the destruction of the US military aeronautics industry, no our objective is to keep a national military aeronautics industry at the best world level. As the French market is too small for that, we have to export 50% of our production. For the Rafale we plan to buy 225 of them, which means that we have to export about 225.

And Finland has helped us a lot to achieve this goal: indeed I already said that the F-35 in Finland was half the price of the UAE, this must have been known, before the decision was made public (we also have secret services) and the UAE was offended to be taken for idiots.

So the negotiations for the sale of 60 Rafales, which had not progressed for 12 years, were suddenly unblocked and to send a clear message of French preference to the USA, the UAE even increased the number of Rafales purchased from 60 to 80 without demanding any compensation! We are now at 242 Rafales exported, which makes this program a success and ensures the sustainability of Dassault for at least 10 years.

If we have the impression that the F-35 programme is a failure, it is because if Dassault managed one of its programmes in the same way as L.M., it would go bankrupt. So for us, L.M. is lining its pockets, but this is an anomaly of the American system.
 


Maybe mods should create a separate thread for crying Frenchmen, as this thread is getting quite polluted. @Ashwin
 
Maybe mods should create a separate thread for crying Frenchmen, as this thread is getting quite polluted. @Ashwin
Just don't mention the canceled submarine. Or there will be more tears. They are a pitiful bunch.
It's a logical guess. It didn't even make the next round in Finland so it is more than likely, in fact I'm willing to bet a whole paycheck that F-18E came in second in Swiss competition. Hopefully the Swiss disclose the results because it will prove me right.
The block III super hornet, would slap a Rafale all day long.
 
Just don't mention the canceled submarine. Or there will be more tears. They are a pitiful bunch.

Some of the non-french folks get really salty if you deny that a PAF F-16 got shot down by IAF fighter but the french in here are in a class of their own.
The block III super hornet, would slap a Rafale all day long.

Block II would also give the french plane a run for its money in the EW and BVR realm since they go hand in hand and by next year Block IIs will own the BVR realm when they get armed with Aim-260. Dogfighting they are pretty much equal (watch me stir up some in here) F-18s kill SU-30MKIs in a dogfight so they should have no issue with french plane. :sneaky:
 
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Block II would also give the french plane a run for its money in the EW and BVR realm since they go hand in hand and by next year Block IIs will own the BVR realm when they get armed with Aim-260. Dogfighting they are pretty much equal (watch me stir up some in here) F-18s kill SU-30MKIs in a dogfight so they should have no issue with french plane. :sneaky:
If we aren't going to use the latest variant. The USMC and Canadian hornet, with the update and GaN AESA they are getting. Would slap the Rafale. There is no need to use a super hornet.
 
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If we aren't going to use the latest variant. The USMC and Canadian hornet, with the update and GaN AESA would slap the Rafale, There is no need to use a super hornet.

The SH failed to clear the IAF's technical evaluations back in 2011 though.

Air Marshal PK Barbora, Ex Vice Chief of Air Staff said, "The Air Force is not looking at price. That's not our area of concern. What we want is QRs are focussed on technical aspects, latest technology. Lot is available in the market and there is potential for future growth."

Since we know the IAF is not gonna care about costs this time as well, the question you should be asking is if the Teens are gonna make it past the IAF's gate-checks this time.
 
The SH failed to clear the IAF's technical evaluations back in 2011 though.

Air Marshal PK Barbora, Ex Vice Chief of Air Staff said, "The Air Force is not looking at price. That's not our area of concern. What we want is QRs are focussed on technical aspects, latest technology. Lot is available in the market and there is potential for future growth."

Since we know the IAF is not gonna care about costs this time as well, the question you should be asking is if the Teens are gonna make it past the IAF's gate-checks this time.
The air chief at the time said the F-16 and fa-18f had better weapons and radar, but someone had to be eliminated, or words very close to that. Neither were over performance.
 
Some of the non-french folks get really salty if you deny that a PAF F-16 got shot down by IAF fighter but the french in here are in a class of their own.


Block II would also give the french plane a run for its money in the EW and BVR realm since they go hand in hand and by next year Block IIs will own the BVR realm when they get armed with Aim-260. Dogfighting they are pretty much equal (watch me stir up some in here) F-18s kill SU-30MKIs in a dogfight so they should have no issue with french plane. :sneaky:
Really fascinating to see in spite of your inter galactic weapons a bunch of goat fxckers armed with last century's weapons & from the mediaeval ages too sodomized your boys in Afghanistan so thoroughly that they were clambering over each other to get out .


Oh yeah , before I forget , they also gave you a parting gift in the form of the Kabul airport blasts as a token of their affections. Me thinks they enjoyed your boys company . Me also thinks Stuxnet like E Virus on the F-35s with Gen Hostage in the cockpit would've made all the difference. Real pity Pentagon didn't share his views or deployed flying triangles in the stratosphere above Afghanistan for bombing missions or to catch goat fxckers in the act.

I sincerely hope for the sake of your treaty allies your armed forces have overcome their trauma to face up to the Chinese.
 
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The air chief at the time said the F-16 and fa-18f had better weapons and radar, but someone had to be eliminated, or words very close to that. Neither were over performance.

No such comment has ever been made. The best anybody from the air force ever said was "all are good" for all participants. And it was the truth.

And no, there was no limit to the number of jets that could have been shortlisted. If all 6 met QRs, they would all have been shortlisted.
 
No such comment has ever been made. The best anybody from the air force ever said was "all are good" for all participants. And it was the truth.

And no, there was no limit to the number of jets that could have been shortlisted. If all 6 met QRs, they would all have been shortlisted.
It was made, the picture was of the air chief sitting at a desk in a blue shirt without a tie. An Indian paper, posted on key pub forum. I remember it well. I tried to google it on the forum, no luck.

In your wildest dreams. You can't count the 36 Rafale as the 126 plane comp. India basically canceled it and gave France a token gesture.

This article is close enough to the reasons the US planes weren't chosen.
 
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The air chief at the time said the F-16 and fa-18f had better weapons and radar, but someone had to be eliminated, or words very close to that. Neither were over performance.
Oh it definitely wasn't capabilities just look at what the IAF flies and compare its capabilities to the capabilities of the F-18 and F-16 two highly combat proven fighters. I actually think at the time IAF had a moment of clarity and looked at the horror of adding another fighter from another nation which would require a whole new doctrine of training for IAF. They would need smarter pilots to handle the advanced tech F-18 and F-16 carry. Just look how long it took the Poles to get Vipers and learn to fly their block 50+ Vipers properly. It really is a crash course going from Russian and dated Mirages to latest F-16 and F-18.
 
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Oh it definitely wasn't capabilities just look at what the IAF flies and compare its capabilities to the capabilities of the F-18 and F-16 two highly combat proven fighters. I actually think at the time IAF had a moment of clarity and looked at the horror of adding another fighter from another nation which would require a whole new doctrine of training for IAF. They would need smarter pilots to handle the advanced tech F-18 and F-16 carry. Just look how long it took the Poles to get Vipers and learn to fly their block 50+ Vipers properly. It really is a crash course going from Russian and dated Mirages to latest F-16 and F-18.
Actually theses Soviet era jets like all Mig 21,23,27 and even 29 and Su 30 are much harder to fly and need more intelligent and skilful drivers to fly and operate in a war theatre compared to their highly automated European and US counterparts. You should read Huskit articles to know more about pilot experience flying these jets.
Do you really think that an average USAF pilot is smarter than average IAF pilots ?
Keep in mind that you too come from the same stock, and I’m sorry to say that but you don’t impress anyone here with your intelligence.
 
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Oh it definitely wasn't capabilities just look at what the IAF flies and compare its capabilities to the capabilities of the F-18 and F-16 two highly combat proven fighters. I actually think at the time IAF had a moment of clarity and looked at the horror of adding another fighter from another nation which would require a whole new doctrine of training for IAF. They would need smarter pilots to handle the advanced tech F-18 and F-16 carry. Just look how long it took the Poles to get Vipers and learn to fly their block 50+ Vipers properly. It really is a crash course going from Russian and dated Mirages to latest F-16 and F-18.
That's precisely why we rejected the F-35. It's too good for us. The JSF is good enough for Paxtanis where you get to deploy your Master Sergeant & then award him a medal for preventing "terrorists" from getting access to it while you find another Afghanistan to scram from.
 
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That's precisely why we rejected the F-35. It's too good for us. The JSF is good enough for Paxtanis where you get to deploy your Master Sergeant & then award him a medal for preventing "terrorists" from getting access to it while you find another Afghanistan to scram from.
*censored*ing cooked up story
 
Actually theses Soviet era jets like all Mig 21,23,27 and even 29 and Su 30 are much harder to fly and need more intelligent and skilful drivers to fly and operate in a war theatre compared to their highly automated European and US counterparts. You should read Huskit articles to know more about pilot experience flying these jets.
Do you really think that an average USAF pilot is smarter than average IAF pilots ?
Keep in mind that you too come from the same stock, and I’m sorry to say that but don’t impress anyone here with your intelligence.
You were the one who was pleading for him to remain just as you were batting for Paddy. You certainly have good judgement of character.
 
It was made, the picture was of the air chief sitting at a desk in a blue shirt without a tie. An Indian paper, posted on key pub forum. I remember it well. I tried to google it on the forum, no luck.

In your wildest dreams. You can't count the 36 Rafale as the 126 plane comp. India basically canceled it and gave France a token gesture.

This article is close enough to the reasons the US planes weren't chosen.
Or tech transfer was also a huge reason. I think the US is doing the right decision not giving them the tech. I remember UK tried such move with F-35 but US told them you want the tech you need to pay for it or something to that effect.
 
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