The original design is very well capable of 650km. So 650km is not really a upgrade.
Next milestone is 850km.
Next milestone is 850km.
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Range of BrahMos Supersonic Cruise Missile to Be Increased to About 310 Miles
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The range of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, produced jointly by Russia and India, is planned to be increased to 500 kilometres (311 miles) from 400 kilometres, Alexander Maksichev, the managing co-director of the...
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BrahMos missiles may reach speeds of 3.5 mach in two years: CEO Mishra
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If they cross Mach 3 they're no longer supersonic missiles are they ?May be this 650-700 km is an upgrade. As per Brahmos co-director any increase in range beyond 400-450 km will be done by increase in speed of Brahmos. Moreover, January 2022 test press release also mentioned Brahmos with extended range and improved performance. Brahmos ex CEO also hinted that speed of brahmos may increase to 3.5 Mach by 2020-2022 & ultimately to Mach 4.5.Range of BrahMos Supersonic Cruise Missile to Be Increased to About 310 Miles
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The range of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, produced jointly by Russia and India, is planned to be increased to 500 kilometres (311 miles) from 400 kilometres, Alexander Maksichev, the managing co-director of the...
BrahMos missiles may reach speeds of 3.5 mach in two years: CEO Mishra
Science News:BrahMos missiles may reach speeds of 3.5 mach in two years: CEO Mishrawww.thehindubusinessline.com
What if this updated version did 700 kms at Mach 5? Is that really a upgrade or not? Just sayin
Still supersonic upto Mach 5. Brahmos 2 will be hypersonic, i.e., above Mach 5 capable. This current Brahmos's engine can't go over Mach 5, despite all the upgrades.
Ah yes ! I got confused between the transition from super sonic to hyper sonic flight where the ramjet switches to scramjet .
Upgrade is a term used for media. A lot of work seems to be on indigenising many parts of the missile. It has gone up to 68%, likely to be fixed there. Brahmos NG on other hand will be 100% Indian sub systems according to BAPL. So for that, you need to get loads of sub system tests from Indian vendors. Some companies are in phases of ToT absorption in their plants. Hence repeated testing. Old block I-II articles needed software update to extend range, so not exactly an upgrade. NG is supposed to be ready by 2024.
All ramjets for Brahmos come from Russia. That doesn't change whatever the variants . That's the nature of our understanding with them . Otherwise we'd have indigenized it long ago .
Ramjet is not the only thing that propels it, hence indigenisation level will be capped at 68% as rest part by value is for the engine mainly, committed to be bought from Rus only. For NG, local made CRMC motor casing, heat shield etc are already worked on.
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Peripheral parts. My point remains. Ditto for Brahmos -2 . Frankly after twin programs by DRDO & ISRO pertaining to hypersonics , I wonder if Brahmos -2 has any relevance. In any case all three will come in the late 2020s
For the current heavy brahmos yes, but the export focus & ease of use lighter NG version everything is being made here. That is what I mean. For the hypersonic version, I think JV nature is the reason for it, learn from it about core tech, apply to other programs. For that to happen, we will have to buy the parts to use in that version, Brahmos 2.
IAF is very cunny. See below pic, everyone thought brahmos will be fired from Chandipur. Then they added 2nd air exercise area. Su-30 sqn carrying Brahmos are based in Thanjavur so for test it will likely takeoff from there. See the wedge shaped area combined of both notams, its a single waypoint missile. That is probably the range of ALCM tested, a very safe conservative range to validate parameters that can be tracked from ITR & shipborne telemetry. Alternatively ship could be placed from Vishakhapatnam & Su-30 firing from mid sea.
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Not chance of NG getting ready by 2024. What ToT absorption are you referring to?
propellant, motor casing, material. I think its supplier diversification that is ongoing. Like before there would be single vendor that would be recommended to procure from. But now 2-3 other vendors would get specific items they would manufacture, inspection & get certified. The target is definitely exporting NG & higher demand so can get material & parts from multiple vendors.
No I meant who is getting ToT from whom? AFAIK there is no active program under DRDO.
Sadly this is true. As per the horses' mouth(source below), trails are set to begin from 2023/2024 itself. It would take years before Brahmos-NG is operational, IMO.
Source: Trials of new generation of BrahMos cruise missile to begin in early 2024 — CEO
I saw PEL presentation mentioning ToT from BAPL under induction at their new production line at Katepally, most likely propellant.
Then count the part all tenders now made 50% or higher mandatory local content clause, that suppliers have to sign & get certified. Brahmos ceo Dr Rane also said during defexpo interview that due to indigenisation effort they are now trying to get many subparts made locally. Basically that is where he mentioned NG version will be 100% Indian made, I guess he meant all parts including ramjet will be locally made. No idea how Rus gonna get their money, probably revenue share only.
Obviously we do not have exact list of which ToT got handed over. But since April-May from when those sanction issue started biting, MoD apparently told entire defense industry to create local subsystem pool. Even HAL is told to stop importing stuff & get local suppliers. So this same wave definitely hit BAPL too & they are also creating a supplier chain where for a single component, at least 2 or more vendors are eligible, before it was by nomination single vendor in most cases.
There is not any drdo program yes, but I have seen some PJ-10 work being on for some time under TBRL, now its termed as P-PJ10, don't know what it signifies or not.
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arre by ready I meant ready for trials, not induction. Never going to take bet on timescale of the armed forces, much easier to bet on first flight/trial sort of thing. At least with a test we know something physically exists. Dr Rane hinted 2024-25 as target period for Ng version. The UP BAPL plant will be making NG version when ready this much is said, and it has better export potential than the regular alcm. So fingers crossed they can make NG first flight test a reality by 2024-25.
Okay, that clears the confusion
Can Rafale-I carry Brahmos-A? Brahmos-NG is planned for integration AFAIK, right?