Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

From what I see in the industry front, priority is to gradually develop ecosystem & tech field, places where we do not have certain tech yet. Pvt companies are encouraged to build talent & tech pool, more R&D. So there is no harm in that.
One of the industry guys, data pattern summed it up well in previous call, read this whole part

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Per this it seems Premier made the bigger booster motor, 760kg one. I guess the shorter 60kg one is made by some other company. BATL also made the first 3 Nirbhay engines no idea if they are still involved? Would like to know that tbh. Who knows what testing is on the 27th January window.
Premier also made the main \/ e d a motor in 2021 its huge

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India Signs 1st Export Deal For BrahMos Cruise Missiles With The Philippines



ByAakriti Sharma
March 3, 2021
The Philippines will be the first country to receive the Indian-made BrahMos cruise missile, considered the world’s fastest supersonic missile.
The two countries have signed an agreement for a potential supply of the weapon, which would boost the Philippines’ coastal defense, according to reports.

Jointly developed by India and Russia, the BrahMos is a medium-range supersonic (faster than the speed of sound) missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, fighter jets, or land.
The Straits Times has reported that Philippine Defence Undersecretary Raymund Elefante and Indian Ambassador Shambu Kumaran on Tuesday signed an implementing agreement at Camp Aguinaldo, headquarters of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. The Asian country will be procuring defense material and equipment from India.
Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana was quoted by The Straits Times as saying: “We are buying the BrahMos missiles”. He did not reveal any further details of the procurement.
The agreement has been described by the defense secretary as a guide for the Philippines and India on “policies and procedures in the defense procurement” and will also serve as a “legal framework for the procurement under the government-to-government modality”.
Ambassador Kumaran and BrahMos Aerospace chief executive and managing director Sudhir Mishra had met the Philippine Army and Philippine Marines officials on separate occasions in January this year.
BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is a product of a consortium of Indian and Russian industries. They have been designed, developed, and produced by BrahMos Aerospace, a joint venture company set up by India’s state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Mashinostroyenia of Russia.
The name BrahMos represents “the fury” of India’s Brahmaputra river and “the grace” of the Russian river Moskva.


The earliest versions of the supersonic cruise missiles have been in service with the Indian Navy and the Indian Army since 2005 and 2007 respectively. Known as the stand-off range weapons, these types of the missile are fired from a range sufficient to allow the attacker to evade defensive fire from the adversary.
Last year, India had tested an extended range of around 400 kilometers, as compared to its initial range of 290 kilometers, with more versions of higher ranges above 1,000 kilometers currently under development.
Since the missile system can be used as both coastal defense and ground attack, it would provide the Philippine military firepower in the face of threats from Chinese aggression in the South China Sea.
The Philippines has been at the receiving end of China’s expansionist plans in the South China Sea. It has recently expressed concerns over China’s new Coast Guard law, which allows the Chinese agency to open fire at foreign vessels at the slightest suspicion.
The latest agreement on the BrahMos missile marks the strengthening of strategic ties between India and the Philippines under the Modi government’s Act East Policy. Don McLain Gill, an international affairs researcher, has suggested Manila may use this partnership to get out of China’s increasing influence in the region.


“China has significantly increased its military capabilities and coercive measures in Southeast Asia, particularly in the disputed South China Sea where Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines also have territorial claims.
China’s expansive claims coupled with its growing assertion and disdain for a rules-based order leave little room for negotiation between it and the other claimants,” he writes for Observer Research Foundation (ORF).
At the same time, the current deal marks India’s increasing defense footprint in the Indo-Pacific. New Delhi had earlier extended a $100-million defense-related line of credit to Manila. The Economic Times has reported that the arrangement was concluded following a foreign ministers-level meet in November 2020.
The two sides had agreed to implement the arrangement through “military training and education, capacity building, regular goodwill visits and procurement of defense equipment”.
The strategic ties have been growing since 2018 when a bilateral Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on defense and logistics was signed. Another MoU on sharing white shipping information—non-military/non-government shipping vessel information—was inked in 2020.

India Signs 1st Export Deal For BrahMos Cruise Missiles With The Philippines - Reports
Philippines signs agreement with India for world's fastest supersonic missiles
 

Godrej Aerospace delivers BrahMos Technology Booster​

Mumbai, 30th January 2023: Godrej Aerospace, a unit of Godrej & Boyce Mfg. Co. Ltd., today handed over a `Technology Booster for the BrahMos project to Shri. Atul Rane, OS & Director General (BrahMos), DRDO and CEO & MD BrahMos Aerospace in the presence of Dr. G Raja Singh, Project Director, BrahMos – DRDL, Captain (IN) D K Alwan, Director MSQAA, Dr. K Ramesh Kumar, Executive Director (Production), BrahMos, Vice Admiral. S R Sarma (Retd.), Director Technical, BrahMos.

 


 
Well is it any surprise why they are still testing many sub-components of it & firing off 10s each year. It seems 5 more orders are placed.
 
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Some parts are now being indigenised, like ToT given to pvt sectors, now their products that go on the missiles need further testing to validate it.
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What do you work as if I may ask ? Some sort of research analyst for a stock broking firm ? If not , you stand a good chance of making a career out of this hobby & who knows maybe , make a lot of money in the bargain too ?
 
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Some parts are now being indigenised, like ToT given to pvt sectors, now their products that go on the missiles need further testing to validate it.
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Ground launched version has already been tested with ecil seeker.

It seems like we were deliberately not using indigenous systems such as booster, warhead & seeker and kept importing them from Russia before the war , obviously to give them hafta.
 
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Ground launched version has already been tested with ecil seeker.

It seems like we were deliberately not using indigenous systems such as booster, warhead & seeker and kept importing them from Russia before the war , obviously to give them hafta.
Not deliberately, before there were not much incentive for them perhaps. Its a gradual process, esp for high end stuff like seeker etc. We can make one but no guarantee it will give the maturity & performance parameter immediately hence tech is sought on maturity & stringent parameter. Now I think a lot of such products are being made locally & will find use in the systems.

We can see tests will be in batches as they select the vendors guess this is why 10-12 tests in the last year. Good thing is diversifying the source. In case of immediate need we can source from multi vendors quickly. 5 more Brahmos test articles were sought couple months ago, must be close to happening again. By system I mean everything, the trucks, radar , fcs, telemetry cameras & sensors are needed in places by whoever are doing it. They transfer those to the testing range & fire off. Quite a lot of work actually.
 
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Not deliberately, before there were not much incentive for them perhaps. Its a gradual process, esp for high end stuff like seeker etc. We can make one but no guarantee it will give the maturity & performance parameter immediately hence tech is sought on maturity & stringent parameter. Now I think a lot of such products are being made locally & will find use in the systems.

We can see tests will be in batches as they select the vendors guess this is why 10-12 tests in the last year. Good thing is diversifying the source. In case of immediate need we can source from multi vendors quickly. 5 more Brahmos test articles were sought couple months ago, must be close to happening again. By system I mean everything, the trucks, radar , fcs, telemetry cameras & sensors are needed in places by whoever are doing it. They transfer those to the testing range & fire off. Quite a lot of work actually.
Warhead, seeker & booster were developed and tested way back but we are only hearing about them after the war So it only means we kept importing them.
 
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Warhead, seeker & booster were developed and tested way back but we are only hearing about them after the war So it only means we kept importing them.
Yes development to product certification stage there will always be gap of number of years, sometimes even 10 or more depending on nature, else companies can not use it & sell. Akash has been in service for so long & yet only recently DRDO handed over whole tech document & materials spec etc to MSQAA for certification. Any product that is made, we need to certify everything, tech used, material used, machines used to make that all of these are part of product dev cycle. Until that happens, those sub parts will not be cleared for production stage.
 
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You guys are getting all this wrong. We've an agreement with Russia under which we're committed to buy stuff from them & prohibited from developing them independently leave aside mfg & supplying them for the Brahmos program. Else they wouldn't have parted with such cutting edge tech . It's a similar story with the MKI program. Russians supply us raw materials or CKDs SKDs , we pay them the costs + royalties & mfg / assemble them in house.

We don't have a choice in this matter . If we deviate from the agreement & behave like the Chinese we lose access to their cutting edge tech .
 
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You guys are getting all this wrong. We've an agreement with Russia under which we're committed to buy stuff from them & prohibited from developing them independently leave aside mfg & supplying them for th
Yeah I mentioned that part before, Dr Rane said it won't go beyond 68% level of indigenisation. By JV terms we have to buy some parts from them. I think before it was just the vehicles , ground FCS that was made here. Now we managed to get clearance for some more like the seeker, propellant, 2 boosters 60kg and 760kg ones, upto that 68% level. But the ramjet engine, core tech etc will still be bought.

Add with it, any replacement stuff we make locally, those will have similar user defined terms & QA certification process, which is happening now, first trial validation, then certify.
 
Yeah I mentioned that part before, Dr Rane said it won't go beyond 68% level of indigenisation. By JV terms we have to buy some parts from them. I think before it was just the vehicles , ground FCS that was made here. Now we managed to get clearance for some more like the seeker, propellant, 2 boosters 60kg and 760kg ones, upto that 68% level. But the ramjet engine, core tech etc will still be bought.
That's precisely why we're pursuing the HSDTV program independently. For all you know there will be no Brahmos -2 hypersonic missile . It's just Plan B , a back up plan in case we botch up the HSDTV program completely.
 
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That's precisely why we're pursuing the HSDTV program independently. For all you know there will be no Brahmos -2 hypersonic missile . It's just Plan B , a back up plan in case we botch up the HSDTV program completely.
Yep, Atul Rane admitted they are waiting on Rus to pass the scramjet & related tech for it. My guess is it will only be passed on when significant breakthrough in HSTDV happen, or after a certain period of time when Rus feels a slightly degraded version is ready to be transferred.
HSTDV has been going on almost since the mid 90s, open source tech wise. Whatever knowledge was in public domain, all accumulated & research done indigenous way. The timeline is this big is due to material challenges. Some we did not have, lead time to make new material 5-20 years anything in between. Then you have very little supply demand for defense use so manufacturers did not bother much. But we are definitely very serious on this so it may take some time but we will get there very soon.
I will post a presentation on same topic when I get back home, its very good.
 
Here is it, presented by current DRDO chief Dr. Kamat sir , I guess many have already seen this. Would make it clear how materials challenge can delay projects.
There is a surprise right at the very beginning, the person you see introducing Dr Kamat early, is Dr Jaiteerth Joshi sir, Program director LRSAM & current Program director XRSAM. That picture I posted before in another thread is from one of his presentations. DRDL director is also seen here.
ps: DRDL conference room is decent.