Peripheral parts. My point remains. Ditto for Brahmos -2 . Frankly after twin programs by DRDO & ISRO pertaining to hypersonics , I wonder if Brahmos -2 has any relevance. In any case all three will come in the late 2020s
Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions
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For the current heavy brahmos yes, but the export focus & ease of use lighter NG version everything is being made here. That is what I mean. For the hypersonic version, I think JV nature is the reason for it, learn from it about core tech, apply to other programs. For that to happen, we will have to buy the parts to use in that version, Brahmos 2.
IAF is very cunny. See below pic, everyone thought brahmos will be fired from Chandipur. Then they added 2nd air exercise area. Su-30 sqn carrying Brahmos are based in Thanjavur so for test it will likely takeoff from there. See the wedge shaped area combined of both notams, its a single waypoint missile. That is probably the range of ALCM tested, a very safe conservative range to validate parameters that can be tracked from ITR & shipborne telemetry. Alternatively ship could be placed from Vishakhapatnam & Su-30 firing from mid sea.
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Not chance of NG getting ready by 2024. What ToT absorption are you referring to?
propellant, motor casing, material. I think its supplier diversification that is ongoing. Like before there would be single vendor that would be recommended to procure from. But now 2-3 other vendors would get specific items they would manufacture, inspection & get certified. The target is definitely exporting NG & higher demand so can get material & parts from multiple vendors.
No I meant who is getting ToT from whom? AFAIK there is no active program under DRDO.
Sadly this is true. As per the horses' mouth(source below), trails are set to begin from 2023/2024 itself. It would take years before Brahmos-NG is operational, IMO.
Source: Trials of new generation of BrahMos cruise missile to begin in early 2024 — CEO
I saw PEL presentation mentioning ToT from BAPL under induction at their new production line at Katepally, most likely propellant.
Then count the part all tenders now made 50% or higher mandatory local content clause, that suppliers have to sign & get certified. Brahmos ceo Dr Rane also said during defexpo interview that due to indigenisation effort they are now trying to get many subparts made locally. Basically that is where he mentioned NG version will be 100% Indian made, I guess he meant all parts including ramjet will be locally made. No idea how Rus gonna get their money, probably revenue share only.
Obviously we do not have exact list of which ToT got handed over. But since April-May from when those sanction issue started biting, MoD apparently told entire defense industry to create local subsystem pool. Even HAL is told to stop importing stuff & get local suppliers. So this same wave definitely hit BAPL too & they are also creating a supplier chain where for a single component, at least 2 or more vendors are eligible, before it was by nomination single vendor in most cases.
There is not any drdo program yes, but I have seen some PJ-10 work being on for some time under TBRL, now its termed as P-PJ10, don't know what it signifies or not.
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arre by ready I meant ready for trials, not induction. Never going to take bet on timescale of the armed forces, much easier to bet on first flight/trial sort of thing. At least with a test we know something physically exists. Dr Rane hinted 2024-25 as target period for Ng version. The UP BAPL plant will be making NG version when ready this much is said, and it has better export potential than the regular alcm. So fingers crossed they can make NG first flight test a reality by 2024-25.
Okay, that clears the confusion
Can Rafale-I carry Brahmos-A? Brahmos-NG is planned for integration AFAIK, right?
There is no problem of mass but the Brahmos A is too long, it would rub the ground at take-off!Okay, that clears the confusion
Can Rafale-I carry Brahmos-A? Brahmos-NG is planned for integration AFAIK, right?
CEO is marketing the product to get backing from any of the services. We shouldn't take everything word for word. Nothing is certain unless funding is secured for full development.
Will be ready with BrahMos-NG when IAF demands it: Dr S K Mishra
Onmanorama caught up with Dr Sudhir Kumar Mishra, the CEO & MD of BrahMos Aerospace, for an update on a missile that has no competitor yet in the.BrahMos-NG, IAF, Dr S K Mishra, BrahMos Aerospace
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For me, Brahmos-NG is still in the design stage. Some service/MoD or BAPL itself has to take the initiative to move forward. Yet to see that happening.
Can you point me to the PEL document? I went through annual reports and found no mention.
It was in the table in page 25 of the pdf, likely from the first presentation.
For the NG, yes it is likely in design & dev stage, but consider the emphasis on export by Govt I can see this project brought forward.
But again, its ToT is not for NG. We are talking about NG here.
Oh sorry I did not get it. Yes that one ToT is for normal brahmos, NG I have yet to come across any concrete proof that it has made past design/conceptual stage.
Meanwhile defence channels on YT reporting IAF has approached GoI to initiate talks with MBDA for local manufacturing of SCALP CM just like AASRAAM . Interesting times ahead.
Not surprising, BEL also likely to local mfg aasm hammer. Local production of several ammo systems gaining ground.
There is an interesting DcPP coming up that involves a TBRL project.
Larger untold story is our preparation to take on China since local mfg units have only a Ltd capacity. Meanwhile those foreign OEMs get a boost to their balance sheet by tapping the Indian market & using it as a base for exports improving their top & bottom lines given the relatively low cost of mfg.
Which is why the ostensible reason given for Tejas & the forthcoming ventures being Integrated with a virtual menagerie of weapons , are that it's required to boost the export prospects of these platforms . Yes that's a fact but equally we need to create a large pool of armaments for when we go to war , today , as we can't do it during a war.
China will not be unaware of this development . Too bad geography isn't on their side in this matter as in they can't intercept shipments. Hence those missile barrages into the hinterland I was referring to including mfg units & ports. @Rajput Lion