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Why Walking out of Indo-Russian FGFA will do wonders for India’s AMCA fighter program
Published May 3, 2018 | By admin

SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / ****

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When India confirmed to Russia that it is no longer Interested in pursuing joint development of 5th generation fighter jet program based on its Su-57 fighter. Back Home Air Chief B.S.Dhanoa had some pretty serious explaining to do to the media on why Indian Air Force decided and even recommended Ministry of Defence (MOD) to pull out from such a prestigious program.

In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets .

IAF Chief seems to have driven a clear message within the organization and to agenda driven media personals that IAF is not only is walking out of FGFA program but is also not interested in any other 5th generation program as peddled in Indian media. Big boost seems to have come with his open support to the indigenous Advance Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program wholeheartedly even though the program is still in D&D phase.

Speaking further on AMCA he said that ” All Lessons learned from the LCA Programme will be incorporated into the AMCA Programme to ensure speedy timelines. Realities goals have also been set to ensure that the programme moves as envisaged”.

Walking out of the Indo-Russian FGFA 5th generation fighter jet program certainly, has brought the focus back on indigenous AMCA program and with IAF and DRDO agreeing to take help from International vendors in incorporating equipment and systems which will come from with separate tender floated to procure 110 fighter jets. Roadmap seems much more clear and well throughout.

ADA already has started the ground process to make AMCA Project reality and already has issued tenders for Vendors to manufacture Technology Demonstrator for AMCA Fighter jets in next 4 years of the signing of contracts. State-owned Aerospace giant HAL along with Private Aerospace firms, including International Aerospace company has shown interest in becoming a major partner for the programme.

At Aero India 2019, ADA is likely to showcase a full-scale final design of AMCA and many International aero-engine companies have already shown interest in participating in the program to meet power requirements of Production variant of the AMCA fighter aircraft.

IAF is not only counting big on AMCA which will be Multi-Role Medium category aircraft which will go on to replace Mirage-2000s and Mig-29 from 2040 onwards but also is very much keen on making it a perfect aircraft which will meet its requirements from the word go without any shortfalls in its performance.

With IAF placing an order for 83 Tejas MK-1A and has shown interest in procuring 201 Tejas MK-2 when it hits production in mid-2025. IAF is no more reculant customer which it was in the past who was always fuzzy about local indigenous products and active partition in major combat jet programs like MK-1A, MK-2, AMCA and Ghaatak UCAV Project also shows its will to change it customer-centric mindset to product developer centric mindset to get what it wants.

AMCA programme will not only be a game changer for India’s Aerospace Defence sector but will be instrumental in creating that perfect Aerospace ecosystem which India was always missing when it started development of LCA-Tejas Program and had to suffer delays due to lack of infrastructure in the country to sustain the program at a good pace. LCA-Tejas Program has created that infrastructure in the country, AMCA will further cement that Aerospace ecosystem within India.
 
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Why Walking out of Indo-Russian FGFA will do wonders for India’s AMCA fighter program
Published May 3, 2018 | By admin

SOURCE: VISHAL KARPE / FOR MY TAKE / ****

AMCA_Model_Aero_India_2017_PIC_1-e1502108386595-970x350.jpg


When India confirmed to Russia that it is no longer Interested in pursuing joint development of 5th generation fighter jet program based on its Su-57 fighter. Back Home Air Chief B.S.Dhanoa had some pretty serious explaining to do to the media on why Indian Air Force decided and even recommended Ministry of Defence (MOD) to pull out from such a prestigious program.

In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets .

IAF Chief seems to have driven a clear message within the organization and to agenda driven media personals that IAF is not only is walking out of FGFA program but is also not interested in any other 5th generation program as peddled in Indian media. Big boost seems to have come with his open support to the indigenous Advance Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program wholeheartedly even though the program is still in D&D phase.

Speaking further on AMCA he said that ” All Lessons learned from the LCA Programme will be incorporated into the AMCA Programme to ensure speedy timelines. Realities goals have also been set to ensure that the programme moves as envisaged”.

Walking out of the Indo-Russian FGFA 5th generation fighter jet program certainly, has brought the focus back on indigenous AMCA program and with IAF and DRDO agreeing to take help from International vendors in incorporating equipment and systems which will come from with separate tender floated to procure 110 fighter jets. Roadmap seems much more clear and well throughout.

ADA already has started the ground process to make AMCA Project reality and already has issued tenders for Vendors to manufacture Technology Demonstrator for AMCA Fighter jets in next 4 years of the signing of contracts. State-owned Aerospace giant HAL along with Private Aerospace firms, including International Aerospace company has shown interest in becoming a major partner for the programme.

At Aero India 2019, ADA is likely to showcase a full-scale final design of AMCA and many International aero-engine companies have already shown interest in participating in the program to meet power requirements of Production variant of the AMCA fighter aircraft.

IAF is not only counting big on AMCA which will be Multi-Role Medium category aircraft which will go on to replace Mirage-2000s and Mig-29 from 2040 onwards but also is very much keen on making it a perfect aircraft which will meet its requirements from the word go without any shortfalls in its performance.

With IAF placing an order for 83 Tejas MK-1A and has shown interest in procuring 201 Tejas MK-2 when it hits production in mid-2025. IAF is no more reculant customer which it was in the past who was always fuzzy about local indigenous products and active partition in major combat jet programs like MK-1A, MK-2, AMCA and Ghaatak UCAV Project also shows its will to change it customer-centric mindset to product developer centric mindset to get what it wants.

AMCA programme will not only be a game changer for India’s Aerospace Defence sector but will be instrumental in creating that perfect Aerospace ecosystem which India was always missing when it started development of LCA-Tejas Program and had to suffer delays due to lack of infrastructure in the country to sustain the program at a good pace. LCA-Tejas Program has created that infrastructure in the country, AMCA will further cement that Aerospace ecosystem within India.
"In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets "

@randomradio what your take on this, mighty J20 being detected by obsolete MKI?
 
"In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets "

@randomradio what your take on this, mighty J20 being detected by obsolete MKI?

There are many mistakes in the article. Plz don't believe **** crap only Raunak Kunde is good reporter rest are just high on weed. What he said in reality: 1:08:00


Also @ 1:25:20 "Stealth and supercruise capability will come with AMCA"
 
"In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets "

@randomradio what your take on this, mighty J20 being detected by obsolete MKI?
Obsolete !!! I get the sarcasm.

I have always said the J-20 as "Mini Transport" plane, it's too big to be stealth fighter jet, It's a bomber. It only looks stealthy from outside, inside, it just does not have anything which is of 5th gen. The jets are under powered, their radar & sensor capabilities are not proven neither they belong to contemporary technology.

But have to appreciate that they are operating them in Tibet, one of the harsh weather conditions in the world.
 
"In one to one Interaction with media, Dhanoa, when asked how IAF plans to counter Chinese developed 5th generation fighter which recently has been deployed in airbases in Tibet towards India, gave a sharp and prompt reply saying ” Radars of our Su’s (Sukhoi-30MKI) can detect them ” and ended this discussion and in subsequent questions dismissed rumours of India showing any interests in procurement of American 5th generation F-35 fighter jets "

@randomradio what your take on this, mighty J20 being detected by obsolete MKI?

So will the F-22. But what was the range, altitude, the weather conditions, what was the aircraft's configuration etc? What if the J-20 deliberately flew in patterns that allowed a greater detection range? As complex bodies, even aircraft have their good and bad sides.

It's all about who has the first detection advantage. Since the J-20 will spot the MKI from even further away, we know which aircraft has the advantage.

Lastly, the J-20 is not ready. It still has a lot to do before it becomes a 5th gen aircraft. And Dhanoa explains that the J-20 is not everything it's cut out to be.
 
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No...in video he is clearly saying that Technology demonstrater within one year, prototype by 4 to 5 years and series production by 7 years.
He meant building TD starts in one year. Like Ananta krishnan said DRDO boss is giving interview to every tom,dick and harry hoping for extension of his tenure from MoD.

First let them roll out the prototype of Mk2. A program sanctioned decade ago.
 
No...in video he is clearly saying that Technology demonstrater within one year, prototype by 4 to 5 years and series production by 7 years.
prototype will contain all the technologies which is required at the final operational clearance, technology demonstrator will most probably be checking aerodynamics with an engine how well it can fly. So we might get flying AMCA with only body by 2019 end.
 
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prototype will contain all the technologies which is required at the final operational clearance, technology demonstrator will most probably be checking aerodynamics with an engine how well it can fly. So we might get flying AMCA with only body by 2019 end.
Like all other TD, it will use the actual engine and it will fly ...As per project plan, TD will be ready 2014/2015 then integration of subsystem and building few LSP finally SP production which may start on 2019/2020 based on a purchase order from IN and IAF... we may see IN AMCA before IAF AMCA...
 
Guys, Mr Christopher is into his last months as Chairman of DRDO. Don't believe in everything he says, there are reports that he is looking for the second extension from GoI.

Just think for one second that HAL/ADA has not given complete picture of MK1A yet, MK2 TD is 4-5 years away and we are fantasizing about AMCA 1:1 scale model next year!!

It only requires commonsense to understand that he is lying.
 
Guys, Mr Christopher is into his last months as Chairman of DRDO. Don't believe in everything he says, there are reports that he is looking for the second extension from GoI.

Just think for one second that HAL/ADA has not given complete picture of MK1A yet, MK2 TD is 4-5 years away and we are fantasizing about AMCA 1:1 scale model next year!!

It only requires commonsense to understand that he is lying.

What he said is true.

A static RCS test model is being made, it will become available soon. Not a flying model. He's already said the flying model will take 4-5 years. Mk2 will be made side by side.
 
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Guys, Mr Christopher is into his last months as Chairman of DRDO. Don't believe in everything he says, there are reports that he is looking for the second extension from GoI.

Just think for one second that HAL/ADA has not given complete picture of MK1A yet, MK2 TD is 4-5 years away and we are fantasizing about AMCA 1:1 scale model next year!!

It only requires commonsense to understand that he is lying.
So you believe on his press meet action he will get extension...nice .Those days are gone where in India there was no project planning ...IT in India Taught how to do project management.i feel most of the projects are tracked on software and It’s all about team work .every project now days are well defined ...but like every other projects there may be chances of delays.even our movie industry now goes with proper project planning...
 
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Guys, Mr Christopher is into his last months as Chairman of DRDO. Don't believe in everything he says, there are reports that he is looking for the second extension from GoI.

Just think for one second that HAL/ADA has not given complete picture of MK1A yet, MK2 TD is 4-5 years away and we are fantasizing about AMCA 1:1 scale model next year!!

It only requires commonsense to understand that he is lying.
EOI was put out in Feb month to arrange the body for NGTD, ADA just lack lot of common sense that whatever body its going to make will be useless for next 4-5 years, isn't it?