As such I had heard the former Air chief marshal B S Dhanoa.
They are planning to maintain 30 sqads.
So MWF will be about 108 that they wish to induct.(6squad)
As even reports suggest.
Thus I guess they will be willing to induct 6squads of AMCA too.
Thus making it to 42 squads. As are allotted to them.
So I doubt they want 400+ jets which makes MMRCA 2.0 unlikely to happen.(it’s more like a backup if things/plan fail.)
As far as gripen is concerned it will be useless and purchasing it will raise questions on tejas.
So in the mean time till 2025 arrives 36-54 more rafale could be purchased as we have the infra and logistics already.
The maintenance will be cost effective plus rafale does have the edge in the region.(namely pak/china)
I wish they do get some su57 around 4squads but it’s highly unlikely.
So the total jets in Air Force after they replace the ageing fleet will be:-
263(+18) su30mki
36(+36) rafale
123. Tejas
108 MWF
108. AMCA
Still working in 2030 till 2040 will be:-
87 Mig 29upg
54 mirage 2000
80 jaguars
We don’t need 114 of mmrca 2.0(if all goes as planned)
Govt. need to put their money where their mouth is and back AMCA and MWF to start inducting them before 2030.
In any case they were scheduled to continue till 2022.Besides , why did you post that info in this thread?
We need 200 MWF, 200 Rafale and as many as 100-150 alternative jets to get to 42 squadrons by 2032.
And the IN also needs 150 jets.
Define 100-150 alternative jets along with timelines?
The IN already has close to 40 MiG 29 . Are you including that in the tally too? Besides the IN plans on 500 aircraft. Does this include RW too? Without coastal air protection within their ambit how do they justify those nos?
PAK FA or similar. Same timeline as MWF or Rafale.
IN needs 200 jets.
IAF is not allowing them coastal aircraft. The 200 jets is for carriers alone. Need 100 jets for the first two carriers and then 100 jets for the third carrier. If coastal aircraft become available, then requirement will further increase since the IN has three major bases to protect, A&N, Varsha and Kadamba. Or else IAF has to take over the same role.
What's RW?
Chances are very less. But can't say if there is some political deal between Trump and Modi.
Bro I have already mentioned the no.jets that are there and the possible addition of 216 jets of AMCA & MWF.
Thus we will be having around 913 fighters around 2030-32.
which is more than 42squads(42X18=756)
thus after 2030 onwards we can even start retiring
even if we go according to you:-
200-MWF
200-Rafale
150-AMCA/FGFA
263(+18)-SU30MKI
123-Tejas
87-MIG29UPG
54-MIRAGE 2000
80-Jaguars
1175-Total
thats more than 65squads(never gonna happen)
By the time AMCA will take shape a LSP, by then Mirages, Mig29's and Jags will be nearing retirement. Also where are you getting 87UPG's from?
Highly doubt that. AFAIK IAF will not field an American combat fixed-wing a/c.
That's because you are looking at it all wrong.
As those 200 MWF and Rafale come in over 15-20 years, older jets will get phased out. And if we crash 10 jets a year, we will be losing 150 jets in the next 15 years. So you will have to consider jets that will get phased out and/or crash during this period.
Also, quicker the induction of new and more advanced jets, quicker will the old jets get phased out. And the older a jet gets, the more susceptible it is to crash. So the crash rate of the MKI, Jaguar, Mig-29 and M-2000 will slowly increase over time.
Anyway, it will take us until 2037-38 to induct all 200+ MWFs and 2040 to induct the expected 171 Rafales through MMRCA. By 2032, we will only have 100+ MWFs and 80 Rafales inducted. So even when we are inducting both MWF and Rafale, we will still have a severe shortage in 2032 unless we also induct about 50-100 PAK FA at the same time.
everywhere check wiki check any site.
plus iaf is planning to buy 21 more MIG29UPG.
Russia offers India more Mig-29UPG fighter jets at throw away price – Indian Defence Research Wing
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All the fighters I have mentioned are good for atleast 2040.(Be it mirage or any other)
I didn’t mentioned any mig21 or 23 or 27 and 80 jaguar which are now not being upgraded.
If we gonna loose 150 jet in 15years like this I think we should fix that first as it is $10+billion to ashes.(We lost 26 in last 5years which is already bad enough)
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About production if we produce 24 jets in a year which is achievable !!
we run two parallel production line. We can achieve 108 AMCA & MWF each within 5 years.
So production line from 2030 to 35 will yield the needed.
After that all we would require is replacements in the future or if we have extra cash in our hands.
nothing is cheap.
News is for 114 f-21 lockheed is demanding 18billion.
What you are providing is your personal plan. What I have given you is the IAF's plan, not my personal plan.
Hmm. What if it doesn't materialize ? Besides, I don't think that's what you meant or the RFI meant.
Why?
Is it? I thought the 40-50 MiG 29 Naval was adequate for both the IAC & Vikramaditya. Where did the additional 50 for these Aircraft Carrier come into play? And another 100 jets for the 3rd AC? Why?
Or a NCLA Mkx2 i.e - twin engine Mk2.
Rotary Wing. Aka Helicopters.
My point is simple if they go for mmrca 2.0 which they don’t need to. They won’t have the adequate funds to develop AMCA in their desired time frame as they want the production to start around 2030.(Not my plan their plan)
and about MWF the requirement is down from 210 to 108.
Then we will remain short of squadrons until 2040. But I think it will go through.
Rather I see India playing with the Americans here. "We are going for PAK FA, unless you have an alternative" gambit. This will make the Russians more competitive as well.
50 Migs are not enough for 2 carriers.
Dunno of any such plan. And by the time it's implemented, AMCA will become available. For now, there's only single engine N-MWF.
500 aircraft covers everything manned that flies.
Not having money is your personal opinion. MMRCA and AMCA are both high priority programs. And if there is no money, then MMRCA will still get first priority, not AMCA.
As for MWF, requirement is not down, it's just tranche based induction. IAF can't afford to order 200+ jets in a single, long duration contract. Same reason why USAF isn't ordering all 1700 F-35s at once.
I guess time will tell MMRCA or AMCA!!
AMCA should be preferred(my opinion)
Vikramaditya can carry max.36 including both FW & RW.
Please check!!
All jaguars will go by 2025 due to non availability of engines and mig29s by 2030 due to end of airframe life.