Saurav Jha (@SJha1618) Tweeted:
AMCA test vehicles, if and when they are built, will likely use GE F-414-INS6 engines. #IAH ( )
AMCA test vehicles, if and when they are built, will likely use GE F-414-INS6 engines. #IAH ( )
When will we get to see an indigenous engine? I hope US sanctions us lol. We perform at our best when we are under sanctions with all other routes closed
Livefist (@livefist) Tweeted:
Writing for Livefist, @YusufDFI argues that the Indian Air Force is dead right in marshaling its full muscle for the fifth generation AMCA project https://t.co/gFNCnhed2w ( )
Writing for Livefist, @YusufDFI argues that the Indian Air Force is dead right in marshaling its full muscle for the fifth generation AMCA project https://t.co/gFNCnhed2w ( )
Air Chief Bhadauria’s focus on homegrown AMCA shows IAF learnt nothing from Tejas failure
Abhijit Mitra Iyer, the last word on Indian Defense Aviation has spoken.
@randomradio ; @Gautam ; @R!cK ; @Milspec ; @Ashwin ; @hellbent ; @vstol Jockey
Abhijit Mitra Iyer, the last word on Indian Defense Aviation has spoken.
@randomradio ; @Gautam ; @R!cK ; @Milspec ; @Ashwin ; @hellbent ; @vstol Jockey
I do agree with a lot of what he says. Most of what he says is hardly breaking news. There has been work done on conformal sensors, something he doesn't know or overlooks. I've posted about these on the AESA radar development thread. Although how much of that research is going to be put on the plane is up for debate.
To counter his point about IAF not looking into long range weapons, I'd like to point out weapons the likes of MBDA Meteor and the upcoming DRDO SFDR. I do agree with him when he says IAF over-emphasizes kinematics over electronics. That's largely due to non-acquisition or reduced acquisition of modern electronics(sometimes unavailability of certain gear for sale and a lack of domestic counterparts).
I also agree with him when he says Tejas doesn't carry enough load and AMCA won't either, at least from the looks of it. Although that comes down to how powerful the engines are, that's why engine selection is so important. We won't be able to tell what the AMCA might look like unless those engines are finalised. Also bear in mind the fact that almost all DRDO projects turn out to be overweight which plays into the TWR and thus the kinematic performance of the aircraft.
If IAF really mean what they are saying then they should invest more resources onto the AMCA and look to reduce the timelines. At its present pace it might turn out to be another Tejas, too little too late. But then IAF has a deeply ingrained import mindset, what the IAF chief says might as well be lip service.
The minute someone says this...
While Britain is moving forward with a sixth-generation aircraft, India is pondering rudimentary and deeply flawed designs for a fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, despite being so far behind the technology curve.
...it's over.
He doesn't even bother to explain the differences between 5th and 6th gen, and makes up silly blanket statements right after. Can't take the article seriously after that.
I knew there was more to you than meets the eye. I posted the link to a 4 paragraph article and all you could notice was my tart comment. Sashtaang, Eshwin, Sashtaang.Not sure if its sarcasm.btw i'm a scuba diving instructor.
Seems Abhijit Iyer Mitra got raped online by ex IAF folk & other defense enthusiasts. The entire thread makes for a good read.
Nilesh Rane (@nileshjrane) Tweeted:
Wow. A Keyboard commandu calling a Test pilot/exIAF pilot a 'taxpayer funded adrenaline junkie'. Yay..!! Keyboard commadu 1 - Fighter Pilot 0. Add the unbeatable achievement of half page long technically nonsense article w/ stupidass conclusions and Keyboard Commandu goes up 2-0. Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on Twitter ( )
And the avionics and radar in the AMCA will be much better than in the 2005 edition of F-22..
Not directly connected to AMCA but related to it...
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Thread: Not Good: #China Claims It Can Find and Track the F-22 - “Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times. Not Good: China Claims It Can Find and Track the F-22 ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times. Chinese scientists say they have solved a fundamental dilemma inherent to radar. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
High-frequency radars, such as microwave radars, emit a lot of short pulses that are good for guiding weapons to a target. Low-frequency radars, that emit waves that are meters long, are better for searching an area but aren’t precise enough for fire control. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Stealth aircraft are shaped to avoid detection by high-frequency beams. “Meter wave radars can detect stealth aircraft because modern stealth aircraft are mainly designed to avoid detection by microwave radar, and are less stealthy to meter wave radar.” ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“However, analysts previously said that because of their low resolution and accuracy, meter wave radars can only send warnings about incoming threats. They can't produce a weapons quality track to guide missiles to a target. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Wu Jianqi, a senior scientist at the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, told Chinese media that his team has solved this dilemma. “Wu solved the issue by designing the world's first practical meter wave sparse array synthetic impulse and aperture radar". (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“Wu said that his radar has multiple transmitting and receiving antennas tens of meters high, scattered in a range of tens to hundreds of meters. They can continuously cover the sky as the radar receives echoes from all directions.” (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“this significantly enhances the radar's ability to track an aerial target, pinpointing the stealth aircraft's exact coordinates by synthesizing parameters and data gathered by the radar under the support of advanced algorithms. (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Since the radar can now see stealth aircraft clearly and track them continuously and accurately, it could become capable of guiding long-range anti-aircraft missiles and landing precision strikes on them." (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Thread: Not Good: #China Claims It Can Find and Track the F-22 - “Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times. Not Good: China Claims It Can Find and Track the F-22 ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“Meter wave radar can be deployed on vehicles, on land and warships, creating a dense web that gives hostile stealth aircraft nowhere to hide,” said China’s Global Times. Chinese scientists say they have solved a fundamental dilemma inherent to radar. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
High-frequency radars, such as microwave radars, emit a lot of short pulses that are good for guiding weapons to a target. Low-frequency radars, that emit waves that are meters long, are better for searching an area but aren’t precise enough for fire control. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Stealth aircraft are shaped to avoid detection by high-frequency beams. “Meter wave radars can detect stealth aircraft because modern stealth aircraft are mainly designed to avoid detection by microwave radar, and are less stealthy to meter wave radar.” ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“However, analysts previously said that because of their low resolution and accuracy, meter wave radars can only send warnings about incoming threats. They can't produce a weapons quality track to guide missiles to a target. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Wu Jianqi, a senior scientist at the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, told Chinese media that his team has solved this dilemma. “Wu solved the issue by designing the world's first practical meter wave sparse array synthetic impulse and aperture radar". (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“Wu said that his radar has multiple transmitting and receiving antennas tens of meters high, scattered in a range of tens to hundreds of meters. They can continuously cover the sky as the radar receives echoes from all directions.” (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
“this significantly enhances the radar's ability to track an aerial target, pinpointing the stealth aircraft's exact coordinates by synthesizing parameters and data gathered by the radar under the support of advanced algorithms. (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
Since the radar can now see stealth aircraft clearly and track them continuously and accurately, it could become capable of guiding long-range anti-aircraft missiles and landing precision strikes on them." (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 1: We don't knows if these claims are true, but many analysts have been predicting for a while that as radar tech improves, it could be just a matter of time until radars can see and track (Including creating a weapon's quality track) stealth aircraft. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 2: UHF & VHF radars have no problems detecting stealth aircraft, but the resolution of the tracking signal is not accurate enough to guide missiles to a target. If this gets solved, stealth fighters become very vulnerable to ground base weapons. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 3: This reminds me of the Russian Nebo-M radar complex (Vietnam has it too) that combines a VHF radar & a UHF radar operating in combination with the VHF providing better range & the UHF better signal resolution. The two together do better tracking of stealth fighters. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 4: Let's not forget we are talking about detection of stealth aircraft from the ground with lower frequency radars that require very large antennas. VHF/UHF radars CAN'T be installed in aircraft. Aircraft carry radars in X or KU bands & stealth is optimized for those. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 5: Therefore, when it comes to air combat, stealth works. A stealth fighter wont be easily detected by another fighter's X band radar. Things change at close range combat if the other fighter jet has an IRST sensor which will pick up the fighter's infrared signature. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 6: That's why France, Germany & UK are going straight to 6th gen fighters, bypassing 5th gen. In exercises, their fighters, equipped with IRST sensors, can easily see & shoot down F-22s in close range fighting. The F-22 prevails at a range of 70-80 Km or more. (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
My take 1: We don't knows if these claims are true, but many analysts have been predicting for a while that as radar tech improves, it could be just a matter of time until radars can see and track (Including creating a weapon's quality track) stealth aircraft. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 2: UHF & VHF radars have no problems detecting stealth aircraft, but the resolution of the tracking signal is not accurate enough to guide missiles to a target. If this gets solved, stealth fighters become very vulnerable to ground base weapons. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 3: This reminds me of the Russian Nebo-M radar complex (Vietnam has it too) that combines a VHF radar & a UHF radar operating in combination with the VHF providing better range & the UHF better signal resolution. The two together do better tracking of stealth fighters. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 4: Let's not forget we are talking about detection of stealth aircraft from the ground with lower frequency radars that require very large antennas. VHF/UHF radars CAN'T be installed in aircraft. Aircraft carry radars in X or KU bands & stealth is optimized for those. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 5: Therefore, when it comes to air combat, stealth works. A stealth fighter wont be easily detected by another fighter's X band radar. Things change at close range combat if the other fighter jet has an IRST sensor which will pick up the fighter's infrared signature. ( )
IndoPacific_SCS_Info (@IndoPac_Info) Tweeted:
My take 6: That's why France, Germany & UK are going straight to 6th gen fighters, bypassing 5th gen. In exercises, their fighters, equipped with IRST sensors, can easily see & shoot down F-22s in close range fighting. The F-22 prevails at a range of 70-80 Km or more. (IndoPacific_SCS_Info on Twitter)
The BOLD bits in the quoted post are the only bits of Information that come close to technicality. If one has even a bit of information on how radars work they would call out the BS this article is. what Meter wave radar can do is known. but the tricky part is its organization of the radar structure and making sense of the incoming data. i.e. background radiation. and the energy required. I literally rolled my eyes up so bad that I could almost see my braincells laughing hysterically. The CPC mouth piece needs diligence in propaganda, and not follow ISPR's example.
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India will soon have a combat aircraft rivalling Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II of the US, China's Chengdu J-20 and Russian Sukhoi Su-57. Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria on Tuesday announced that the development of 5th Generation advanced multi-role combat aircraft has been launched in a massive boost to the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) programme.
Pitching strongly for an indigenous weapons platforms to arm the Indian Air Force (IAF), ACM Bhadauria's stress on India going ahead with its own 5th Generation stealth fighter means that IAF would not consider Su-57. He had on October 4, too, during a press conference made it clear that IAF would not go for any foreign-made 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) nor any other foreign jet. Russia is actively looking for buyers for the Su-57 which has entered serial production and 76 fighters will start joining its aerospace force starting end of 2019.
The supersonic AMCA is being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The all-weather multirole AMCA is likely to have twin-engines with stealth features. It will in all probability be single-seater combat aircraft.
Along with the Rafale, Sukhoi Su-30 MKI and Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, the AMCA will be IAF's backbone in the coming decades. A naval version of the 5th Generation fighter will also be developed for Indian Navy's aircraft carriers which currently operate the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K.
According to IAF's Air Staff Requirements (ASR) for the AMCA issued in April 2010, the aircraft must have a high degree of stealth, ability to carry weapons internally as well as externally, internal fuel capacity, be able to super cruise and perform the role of both air-to-air to air-to-ground attacks. With the AMCA will primarily engage targets at beyond visual range, it will also have a powerful thrust vectoring engine for supermanoeuvrability for better dogfighting capabilities.
Pitching strongly for an indigenous weapons platforms to arm the Indian Air Force (IAF), ACM Bhadauria's stress on India going ahead with its own 5th Generation stealth fighter means that IAF would not consider Su-57. He had on October 4, too, during a press conference made it clear that IAF would not go for any foreign-made 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) nor any other foreign jet. Russia is actively looking for buyers for the Su-57 which has entered serial production and 76 fighters will start joining its aerospace force starting end of 2019.
The supersonic AMCA is being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The all-weather multirole AMCA is likely to have twin-engines with stealth features. It will in all probability be single-seater combat aircraft.
Along with the Rafale, Sukhoi Su-30 MKI and Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, the AMCA will be IAF's backbone in the coming decades. A naval version of the 5th Generation fighter will also be developed for Indian Navy's aircraft carriers which currently operate the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K.
According to IAF's Air Staff Requirements (ASR) for the AMCA issued in April 2010, the aircraft must have a high degree of stealth, ability to carry weapons internally as well as externally, internal fuel capacity, be able to super cruise and perform the role of both air-to-air to air-to-ground attacks. With the AMCA will primarily engage targets at beyond visual range, it will also have a powerful thrust vectoring engine for supermanoeuvrability for better dogfighting capabilities.
The MWF is why IAF is going whole hog on AMCA.
Without MWF, AMCA is going to be extremely difficult to develop.
