I really admire these Pakistanis. They shamelessly speak lies after lies with a straight face. This kind of ability can't be acuired, it has to be in genes of a person.This was the real killer.
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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Why is Pakistan trying to pass off tail number 606 F16 as single seater while it's twin seater with multiple pics on internet?
Sir, let's keep up all the argument aside now only one question...If they had the evidence of a claim kill of Su30,why didn't they provide it to the front of the entire world..Sir, I'm not sure who told you this, but the only "taqiyya" I'm familiar with is the pillow I sleep on every night.
Sir, thank you for your compliment.
Sir, please calm down. I personally don't believe that those radar snapshots were ridiculous. Let me rephrase: After dismissing those images, PAF had no moral standing to share its own as credible evidence.
Sir, please read my previous reply again. PAF's claimed kill (large RCS target/Su-30, deep inside IOK) and IAF's claimed kill (F-16, over AJK) are two different claimed kills, separated in time and space. I'm not sure why PAF would award its pilot for a kill claimed by IAF.
Sir, I would try to explain the difference between confirmed kill in air combat, and something confirmed to Alan Warnes personally...but I don't think it will be of any use. As stated before, PA spokesperson issued the "no F-16s used" statement because PA was not fully aware of the T&Cs of PAF's F-16s.
Sir, the problem is that you gentlemen believe the F-16 arguments (tadpoles, puffs) of the same media (analysts). Anyways, since everything is a figment of my imagination, relax and amuse yourself with my creative imagination. As others have noted, there is no point in discussing this over and over again unless some new evidence pops up. You know, something like a new-uddin, 606 or an engine cowling.
Your opinion:We would ridicule...
The evidence is not for to please some internet warrior in India but for the entire world military to analyze that...
Pakistan army is involved in everything from real estate to selling cornflakes but they dont know the T/Cs of F16 lol and i thought ISPR is PR officer of all 3 forces so why didnt he consult first , what a joke , lies + to hide tha lie lie + .........This was the real killer.
I think genuine reason might be that * was too small on contract papers to highlight T/Cs.
Poor Ghafool got screwed in his bid to win the "narrative war" ,their only USP and lost his promotion
@BlackOpsIndia i have a question ,i have watched all these events which was unfolding like all other enthusiasts
my question is
1) at any point in the fog of war IAF said anything like " all our pilots ,planes are accounted for" or it was usual shenanigans by our media quoting from the sources
2) i have read two version ,press statement said" Pakistanis plane violated our border space" and bs dhanoa said they never ingressed
which one is correct
my question is
1) at any point in the fog of war IAF said anything like " all our pilots ,planes are accounted for" or it was usual shenanigans by our media quoting from the sources
2) i have read two version ,press statement said" Pakistanis plane violated our border space" and bs dhanoa said they never ingressed
which one is correct
Sir, I'm glad to be of service in providing you with amusement.This was the real killer.
However I am yet to reach the level of the 4th-largest air force in the world, who with 350+ 4th-gen aircrafts at its disposal, waves around a piece of a missile complaining about the use of a 4th-gen aircraft by its adversary, regretting that it didn't have 36 more 4.5-gen aircrafts.
Sir, I assure you, the 1st world doesn't gives a rat's behind about the kill-claims of the South-Asian rivals. Besides, unlike a very professional air-force, PAF doesn't feel the need to go out of its way to prove anything.Sir, let's keep up all the argument aside now only one question...If they had the evidence of a claim kill of Su30,why didn't they provide it to the front of the entire world..
Your opinion:We would ridicule...
The evidence is not for to please some internet warrior in India but for the entire world military to analyze that...
Sir, I urge you to read my replies carefully. I'm not sure what 606's photos prove, besides what we already know that it is a B-version.
Let me rephrase: I believe that KT made a typo when he recreated the honor roll to include the awards for the respective pilots. 606, an F-16B, piloted by S/L Hassan, launched the AIM-120 that made its mark. The entire PAF F-16 fleet had the same aircrafts and fleet size, before and after the skirmish.
Gentlemen, I realize that being military enthusiasts you root for your home base. However I'd urge you to look past the events of February and focus on the aftermath. It was a small-scale, localized skirmish. It doesn't matter who came out on top that day, rather what lessons were learnt and what gaps were identified. IAF clearly benefited a lot more than PAF when it comes to that.
I rest my case.
Thats according to your narrative but according to us , we have scored a kill , first F16 kill for a Mig21. Both sides know the truth, the world knows who has a better credibility based on each others history of speaking truth and lies. Its futile excercise to debate anything else on this. Truth will prevail one day.
And yes about 36 4.5 gen aircraft , its none of your business, its Indias internal matter. If a full fledged war breaks out, i guarantee you that "350" 4th gen aircraft will not give u a chance to regret and i expect the same from Pakistan. I hope this time war will be man to man and not against worthless Mujhahideens.
About displaying the missile part , it was done to expose lies of the great ISPR who shouted that JF17s had their kills , no F16s used at all. Conveniently changed to yes they were used when exposed. Still waiting for radar images though.
Both sides indeed learnt a lesson
PS : theres a photo hanged on some PAF base
of Op Swift retort , discription still doesnt mention use of F16s , attributes kills to JF17 , please change that , narrative has been changed
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Yes. It found its mark but the mark was either a chaff cloud or a ghost radar echo generated by EW system of Su-30MKI and not an actual Su-30MKI. But there is no doubt that R-73 blasted off an F-16B.
In every video of the engagement that we have not seen even one single deplyoment of flares by either side. So there is no question of R-73 being fooled or having picked a wrong heat signature.
1. Any proof that it was in actual IAF presser??
2. ROEs say no aircrafts can come inside 10kms from LOC , probably violation is respect to that
Most probably a chaff ( that if they are truthful about the radar blip) if they want to make the fog thick with this claim to hide doosra banda.... then no one can help
It was from Vishnu Som or Shiv Aroor I guess, few minutes after conflict via sources, IAF NEVER made such claim, after around 2houra IAF told one Mig21 and pilot is missing in action. I remember it as if it happened today, you can cross check, infact I was the one who posted in that thread of all pilots accounted for after his tweet, IAF never made that claim.
It was technical violation as explained by @Falcon many a times, any party coming within 10km of airspace of LOC is technically violating the others airspace. They never really crossed LOC and even Pakistan didn't claim they did. Abhi was the only one I think who crossed it. So they violated the airspace and didn't ingressed both are correct.
That I agree with, but it was more of what actually happened for me than who won. And as far as bigger picture goes India is way too strongly prepared after this 370 removal than they were for Pulwama revenge.
After Pulwama I didn't see much urgency for a conflict after talking to some officers. They were resting in cantonments, though there was emergency deployment at the night of 27th but still some elite forces were not deployed even after being in India.
But prepration for this 370 are seriously high and special forces are called from US, Russia, all over the world from their pre arranged training schedule and deployed and the same officers who were not very enthusiastic for revenge are actually talking in a tone that says we are waiting.
After Pulwama attack as most people I too was very impatient for revenge and kept annoying seniors like Falcon and he always said war cannot happen at such a short notice. Even told me story about 71 war, it's backdrop and how much time FM Manekshaw asked from Indira Gandhi for prepration to win.
Waiting for revenge is nothing short of torture after those visuals of Pulwama attack but now when I connect the dots with what falcon use to say and is happening on ground I can tell you have lost dream of getting back Kashmir after that attack.
I have full confidence that Pakistan will once again commit harakiri and will lose PoK too. Feb 26 and 27 was more of small scale revenge type attacks to pacify public, what's happening after that is fully thought out doctrine in play and I find Pakistan to be woefully inadequate to counter that, couldn't come at worst time for you.
Have you seen the confidential paper that leaked online for awarding the pilots? It only mentioned pilot names + squadrons and streered clear of mentioning the platform (don't know if that's the protocol). Indian ceremony clearly mentioned which aircraft they were flying and what was their achievement.
Tu fail was only the front of PAF and when lie is caught, Tu fail is expendable (old habits of using proxies).
I am not looking to humiliate Pakistan, they are impulsive offender but all those Western reputed media houses and journalists who paddled Pakistan's narrative.
@BlackOpsIndia Sir, as expected, it was a typing error. KT has rectified it and apparently provided an explanation:
Link to the updated blog-post: Aeronaut
Thank you and others on twitter for pointing it out.
Link to the updated blog-post: Aeronaut
Thank you and others on twitter for pointing it out.
I fail to understand, how do senior and junior staff of your armed forces commit such basic errors? How long will you put up with this chauthi jamaat mein chaar baar fail, fools? Look at where it's landed you?@BlackOpsIndia Sir, as expected, it was a typing error. KT has rectified it and apparently provided an explanation:View attachment 9693
Link to the updated blog-post: Aeronaut
Thank you and others on twitter for pointing it out.
You've brandished N weapons ever since the 80's . Every Yaqub, Yazid & Yavar have threatened us with it.Since 1987 .For prevention of us mounting cross border action to responding to 26/11 situations to theoritical revocation of Article 370 . Now that it's done , Dimran & Munafiq Qadiani Qamar maamu are trying desperately to kill 2 birds in one stone.Deflection of aggressive action by the PA & divert attention from rising cost of naans among other important issues of day to day existence for the ordinary Pakistanis, by blaming the Arabs, other Islamic nations, the UN & US for not backing you.
Is this the calibre of your armed forces or most of Pakistani Punjab? Just keep breaking wind, day in and day out. Where's your people's self respect, man? Isn't the PA's motto jihad fi sabilillah? If what Modi's done not cause enough for raising the banner for Jihad, then I don't know what is? And who's supposed to accomplish it? Illiterate peasants from southern & central Punjab Or useful Pashtun idiots from FATA and among the refugee Afghans?
If so, why do you have the PA? To Lord it over you, proving that they're the only institution capable of maintaining Pakistan as it is, while undermining every other institution and keeping the bogey of India alive by pandering to your most base instincts?
@BlackOpsIndia Sir, as expected, it was a typing error. KT has rectified it and apparently provided an explanation:View attachment 9693
Link to the updated blog-post: Aeronaut
Thank you and others on twitter for pointing it out.
Back to square one. What's the name of second pilot in twin seater and what was he awarded?
i remember 3,4 months back Iaf saying that mig 21 shot down f16B ,now PAF has accepted that F16B was involved . this is more than clear that in a twin seater plane either hasan siddiqui is dead or grievously inured and might be recuperating,so other pilot of F16B is alive and not given any award whereas hasan is the real dusra banda,by naming and awarding him they have pacified PAF ,question remains when he will come to the media
why dont they present him to the media ,he might actually say where he shot down su 30
why dont they present him to the media ,he might actually say where he shot down su 30