Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

_Anonymous_ said:
I fail to understand, how do senior and junior staff of your armed forces commit such basic errors? How long will you put up with this chauthi jamaat mein chaar baar fail, fools? Look at where it's landed you?

You've brandished N weapons ever since the 80's . Every Yaqub, Yazid & Yavar have threatened us with it.Since 1987 .For prevention of us mounting cross border action to responding to 26/11 situations to theoritical revocation of Article 370 . Now that it's done , Dimran & Munafiq Qadiani Qamar maamu are trying desperately to kill 2 birds in one stone.Deflection of aggressive action by the PA & divert attention from rising cost of naans among other important issues of day to day existence for the ordinary Pakistanis, by blaming the Arabs, other Islamic nations, the UN & US for not backing you.


Is this the calibre of your armed forces or most of Pakistani Punjab? Just keep breaking wind, day in and day out. Where's your people's self respect, man? Isn't the PA's motto jihad fi sabilillah? If what Modi's done not cause enough for raising the banner for Jihad, then I don't know what is? And who's supposed to accomplish it? Illiterate peasants from southern & central Punjab Or useful Pashtun idiots from FATA and among the refugee Afghans?

If so, why do you have the PA? To Lord it over you, proving that they're the only institution capable of maintaining Pakistan as it is, while undermining every other institution and keeping the bogey of India alive by pandering to your most base instincts?
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My my my, never thought that a typo would illicit such lengthy responses. Reminds me of a totally unrelated verse by Meer:
Dekh tou dil ke jaan se uthta hai,
Ye dhuwan sa kahan se uthta hai

Thank you for returning the favor. :)


Cole_phelps said:
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

Back to square one. What's the name of second pilot in twin seater and what was he awarded?
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Sir, perhaps it would help if you actually read the blog-post (FAQ #8):
"The Roll of Honor includes only those pilots who launched weapons, or controlled them post-launch. It does not include airborne reserves, nor the rear seat occupants ('Guy In the Back Seat' or GIBS) of F-16B."


vikata said:
i remember 3,4 months back Iaf saying that mig 21 shot down f16B ,now PAF has accepted that F16B was involved . this is more than clear that in a twin seater plane either hasan siddiqui is dead or grievously inured and might be recuperating,so other pilot of F16B is alive and not given any award whereas hasan is the real dusra banda,by naming and awarding him they have pacified PAF ,question remains when he will come to the media

why dont they present him to the media ,he might actually say where he shot down su 30
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Sir, have some patience, your wish will be granted soon. :)
 
The Deterrent said:
@BlackOpsIndia Sir, as expected, it was a typing error. KT has rectified it and apparently provided an explanation:View attachment 9693
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Link to the updated blog-post: Aeronaut


Thank you and others on twitter for pointing it out. :)
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The predictive typing mode forgot the 2nd pilot. ;)
 
The Deterrent said:
My my my, never thought that a typo would illicit such lengthy responses. Reminds me of a totally unrelated verse by Meer:
Dekh tou dil ke jaan se uthta hai,
Ye dhuwan sa kahan se uthta hai

Thank you for returning the favor. :)
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Ibtada ishq hain rotaa hain kya
Aage aage dekhiye hota hain kya.

Same shayar & more apt lines, me thinks. The more erudite ones amongst you & I include you in them can't be seen to be or afford to be honest, at least in public. Hence deflect the argument, if possible with a couplet and resort to nit picking. My my my!!
 
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randomradio said:
The predictive typing mode forgot the 2nd pilot. ;)
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Alright, I give in. I posted some insider information in the past about the GIBS, that got looked over. Read the second part of the post carefully, if you're smart, you'll figure it out:
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

_Anonymous_ said:
Ibtada ishq hain rotaa hain kya
Aage aage dekhiye hota hain kya.

Same shayar & more apt lines, me thinks.
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Wah, muqarrar!
More apt lines, indeed.

_Anonymous_ said:
The more erudite ones amongst you & I include you in them can't be seen to be or afford to be honest, at least in public. Hence deflect the argument, if possible with a couplet and resort to nit picking. My my my!!
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Oh I can and have been pretty honest in the past, its just that you or others are not interested in having a constructive discussion about that anymore. I can understand your frustration regarding IAF's performance, but if you want to let off some steam, do so in the relevant thread. Nevertheless, I excuse, I did not mean to snatch your only glimmer of hope that IAF accomplished something during those two days.

But please don't start the argument with "basic errors". Although I must admit, Pakistani military is in a pathetic state. They should learn from its adversary and only commit complex and smart errors. You know, like shooting down your own heli scores of kms away from combat zone, or forgetting to close the submarine hatch.

We can go around in circles like that all day. Unfortunately, I've got better things to do. So unless some new information pops up regarding this incident, allow me to bow out. :)
 
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The Deterrent said:
Alright, I give in. I posted some insider information in the past about the GIBS, that got looked over. Read the second part of the post carefully, if you're smart, you'll figure it out:
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16


Wah, muqarrar!
More apt lines, indeed.


Oh I can and have been pretty honest in the past, its just that you or others are not interested in having a constructive discussion about that anymore. I can understand your frustration regarding IAF's performance, but if you want to let off some steam, do so in the relevant thread. Nevertheless, I excuse, I did not mean to snatch your only glimmer of hope that IAF accomplished something during those two days.

But please don't start the argument with "basic errors". Although I must admit, Pakistani military is in a pathetic state. They should learn from its adversary and only commit complex and smart errors. You know, like shooting down your own heli scores of kms away from combat zone, or forgetting to close the submarine hatch.

We can go around in circles like that all day. Unfortunately, I've got better things to do. So unless some new information pops up regarding this incident, allow me to bow out. :)
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Sir, Do you believe about the news of forgetting to close the submarine hatch???Your thoughts pls....
Also chances of war.....if you have enough time to reply....
 
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The Deterrent said:
Alright, I give in. I posted some insider information in the past about the GIBS, that got looked over. Read the second part of the post carefully, if you're smart, you'll figure it out:
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16


Wah, muqarrar!
More apt lines, indeed.
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Muqarrar chodiye, huzoor.Ek aur sher Mulayza farmaiye Meer ke kalaaam se.


bahot arzu thi gali ki teri
so yan se lahu main naha kar chale

dikhai diye yun ki bekhud kiya
hamain ap se bhi juda kar chale

Beautiful, isn't it? Aptly describes Pakistani cravings for Kashmir. Although your craving is more depraved given that you've not even been able to assimilate the Balochis or the Pashtuns into Pakistani society.Or at least huge numbers of them.I'm not even bringing up the Mohajirs or the Shias from GB here nor the Ahmediyyas or Shias from the rest of Pakistan. I wonder who's left out.

The Deterrent said:
Oh I can and have been pretty honest in the past, its just that you or others are not interested in having a constructive discussion about that anymore. I can understand your frustration regarding IAF's performance, but if you want to let off some steam, do so in the relevant thread. Nevertheless, I excuse, I did not mean to snatch your only glimmer of hope that IAF accomplished something during those two days.
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Honest about what? That you've carried the day on 27th Feb? By shooting down 2 IAF planes? A Sukhoi 30 MKI & a Mig 21 ? Or that there were no casualties in Balakote?

Need we go over this all over again or just accept that there are 2 narratives out there. One from your side and one from ours. Unless there are any earth shattering revelations, this will persist. I'm not interested in infructous debates.

To you your religion & to me, mine.


The Deterrent said:
But please don't start the argument with "basic errors". Although I must admit, Pakistani military is in a pathetic state. They should learn from its adversary and only commit complex and smart errors. You know, like shooting down your own heli scores of kms away from combat zone, or forgetting to close the submarine hatch..
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Deep diving into the facts about INS Arihant 'accident'

The submarine hatch is media speculation. The IN hasn't come out with any such statement. As regards the IAF committing blue on blue, there's been a CoI and a court martial. I can understand your surprise at the latter.For coming as you do from where you do, where the split in your Nation prompts an enquiry ( Hamoodur Rehman Commission) & not a single indictment made nor the guilty brought to justice. So much so that there aren't any copies of the report left anymore.In public or Government archives.

Cut to the 1999 Kargil war and pls inform us of what're the strategic gains you've made there. Nil if one goes by what Senior ex service personnel from your side says too. Were there any enquiry commission to probe those 3-4000 NLI casualties? Was anyone held accountable? Of course not.Make google your ally & update yourself.

The Deterrent said:
We can go around in circles like that all day. Unfortunately, I've got better things to do. So unless some new information pops up regarding this incident, allow me to bow out. :)
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Ditto.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
Muqarrar chodiye, huzoor.Ek aur sher Mulayza farmaiye Meer ke kalaaam se.


bahot arzu thi gali ki teri
so yan se lahu main naha kar chale

dikhai diye yun ki bekhud kiya
hamain ap se bhi juda kar chale

Beautiful, isn't it? Aptly describes Pakistani cravings for Kashmir. Although your craving is more depraved given that you've not even been able to assimilate the Balochis or the Pashtuns into Pakistani society.Or at least huge numbers of them.I'm not even bringing up the Mohajirs or the Shias from GB here nor the Ahmediyyas or Shias from the rest of Pakistan. I wonder who's left out.



Honest about what? That you've carried the day on 27th Feb? By shooting down 2 IAF planes? A Sukhoi 30 MKI & a Mig 21 ? Or that there were no casualties in Balakote?

Need we go over this all over again or just accept that there are 2 narratives out there. One from your side and one from ours. Unless there are any earth shattering revelations, this will persist. I'm not interested in infructous debates.

To you your religion & to me, mine.




Deep diving into the facts about INS Arihant 'accident'

The submarine hatch is media speculation. The IN hasn't come out with any such statement. As regards the IAF committing blue on blue, there's been a CoI and a court martial. I can understand your surprise at the latter.For coming as you do from where you do, where the split in your Nation prompts an enquiry ( Hamoodur Rehman Commission) & not a single indictment made nor the guilty brought to justice. So much so that there aren't any copies of the report left anymore.In public or Government archives.

Cut to the 1999 Kargil war and pls inform us of what're the strategic gains you've made there. Nil if one goes by what Senior ex service personnel from your side says too. Were there any enquiry commission to probe those 3-4000 NLI casualties? Was anyone held accountable? Of course not.Make google your ally & update yourself.
All Hail Pakistan Armed Forces

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This is a massive burn @The Deterrent isnt it?
What u call it strategic retreat and surrender .
Same goes for Siachen and Kargil . All mighty Pakistan armed forces only deal with such complex matters of strategies.
Regarding narratives , whole world knows about India's and Pakistan's credibility based on each ones history of lies and truth , so guage for yourself.
 
The Deterrent said:
Alright, I give in. I posted some insider information in the past about the GIBS, that got looked over. Read the second part of the post carefully, if you're smart, you'll figure it out:
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16


Wah, muqarrar!
More apt lines, indeed.


Oh I can and have been pretty honest in the past, its just that you or others are not interested in having a constructive discussion about that anymore. I can understand your frustration regarding IAF's performance, but if you want to let off some steam, do so in the relevant thread. Nevertheless, I excuse, I did not mean to snatch your only glimmer of hope that IAF accomplished something during those two days.

But please don't start the argument with "basic errors". Although I must admit, Pakistani military is in a pathetic state. They should learn from its adversary and only commit complex and smart errors. You know, like shooting down your own heli scores of kms away from combat zone, or forgetting to close the submarine hatch.

We can go around in circles like that all day. Unfortunately, I've got better things to do. So unless some new information pops up regarding this incident, allow me to bow out. :)
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U talk as if its something unsual , friendly fires do happen , u need to just goggle a bit and see FF incidents of your "Military Papa" The US.
Even in 1987 there were stories that a PAF F16 was shot down by a Soviet Mig 23 and to hide that loss of "crown jewel" story of its own wingman shooting it down was started. Whichever is true though. You decide.
Losing high value equipments like AWACS to supposedly "terrorists" , what a smart reason right?
 
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Someone posted sameer joshi's article on f-16 forum and many f-16 fanboys and journalists will start getting constipation due to detailed and irrefutable analysis.

I bet they never thought of such comeback and ignored the fact that we have too many stubborn wizards in India who rather believe their armed forces than DJ ISPR.

Waiting for them to read the article and go bonkers.
 
vstol Jockey said:
The pics of Hassan Ali which emerged after 27th showed an JF-17 in the background and now he is again shown as a pilot of JF-17. No JF-17 came anyclose to any of Indian fighters. How did he shoot down a SU-30MKI?
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Aap to serious ho gaye sir! That was for their highly educated aawam, doesn't meant to be taken seriously.
 
Pakistan is winning in history books again, take that Endia! So what they couldn't get the story straight yet, Welding shop Zindabad.

Mind you this is official forgery like that little trick Gafoora played while counting 4 missiles of Mig 21 in a highly grainy photo ;)

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BlackOpsIndia said:
Pakistan is winning in history books again, take that Endia! So what they couldn't get the story straight yet, Welding shop Zindabad.

Mind you this is official forgery like that little trick Gafoora played while counting 4 missiles of Mig 21 in a highly grainy photo ;)

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It is good to have your enemy live in a fool's paradise. As well blow up their scarce funds for such idiotic propaganda.

In this age of Internet, all the awaam already know the deep state's bluffs.
 
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Pakistan is winning in history books again, take that Endia! So what they couldn't get the story straight yet, Welding shop Zindabad.

Mind you this is official forgery like that little trick Gafoora played while counting 4 missiles of Mig 21 in a highly grainy photo ;)

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I mean these guys are serious liers.......Where did they get this?????$
 
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