Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[Arsalan123]

Show us the radar signature like GOI showed to the world. Pakistan stage dramas are famous in the world for being comical

come on man,you can see the actual terrain.they recorded entire video.many here said that we ran away and dropped bobs in haste.that recording clearly shows complete control.do you see the actual recording?he was in total control.it was intentional to drop bombs in open fields.

 

[Hellfire]

PAF made a Terrible mistake by Firing Amraams from inside POK at Su 30

This was the Only thing that was Not Anticipated by IAF

DId IAF tell you this?

 

[Hellfire]

come on man,you can see the actual terrain.they recorded entire video.many here said that we ran away and dropped bobs in haste.that recording clearly shows complete control.do you see the actual recording?he was in total control.it was intentional to drop bombs in open fields.

I may have agreed with you here had the case been of dumb bombs without fuzes.

 

[randomradio]

it was intentional to drop bombs in open fields.

Nobody believes that story.

First, there's nothing to prove by doing that. All air forces know how standoff weapons are used, and anybody can do what PAF did that day. There was nothing special done by PAF.

Second, if the plan was to warn, then the PAF would have used bombs without their warheads or their fuses removed, or even training rounds. And PAF would have likely also provided a video proof of having loaded dummy bombs prior to the strike, especially if training rounds were used. But we were at the receiving end of actual bombs designed to kill.

So that was no warning, it was an actual attack.

 

[rockstarIN]

PAF made a Terrible mistake by Firing Amraams from inside POK at Su 30

This was the Only thing that was Not Anticipated by IAF

But we didnt suffer any loss due to this
And understood the Enemy psyche

On the contrary they have shown all their Cards

Releasing those Bombs from Stand off Ranges was acceptable

That is why I say instead of POK invasion
We should Unleash IAF in an all out war

We are capable indeed now. But there wont any such war if we got S400, so best to deploy that beast and there will be no air war over kashmir and POJK air space is ours for ever.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

DId IAF tell you this?

The Media Duscussions and Articles written
Since that Day by Veterans Under their
"Real Name " have proved this fact that the attack on Su 30 was Not anticipated

You can read the latest article by Sameer Joshi in Print

And IF IAF was aware of such an impending
Amraam Attack on Su 30 , then they would have put 2 more Su 30s at 40 K feet to Attack those F 16s

If you dont Fight a War for 48 Years , then
Mistakes and Judgement errors will happen

The last war was in 1971

All the Changes and Improvements in our
National Security Framework have happened after Setbacks

Right from 1962 onwards till Mumbai 26/ 11
We have been waking up after a Certain
Unhappy Event

 

[Hellfire]

The Media Duscussions and Articles written
Since that Day by Veterans Under their
"Real Name " have proved this fact that the attack on Su 30 was Not anticipated

You can read the latest article by Sameer Joshi in Print

And IF IAF was aware of such an impending
Amraam Attack on Su 30 , then they would have put 2 more Su 30s at 40 K feet to Attack those F 16s

Sameer Joshi is so off facts, claiming that there was no AWACS on station and became airborne only when PAF moved in. When confronted on twitter, with Vishnu Som as his champiom tagged in, he did not even reply. I offered to tell him the operating Pilot-in-Command's initials too

And his being a M2K pilot, can he honestly say that he was not expecting a retaliation from an aircraft on CAP?

There is something known as sensationalism to grab eyeballs.

Mi-17 downing, I knew on 27th itself. But did you find me post of it openly? Except for hinting at it once or twice, I kept mum. It is because, you need to be thorough before opening up.

 

[Ashwathama]

Sameer Joshi is so off facts, claiming that there was no AWACS on station and became airborne only when PAF moved in. When confronted on twitter, with Vishnu Som as his champiom tagged in, he did not even reply. I offered to tell him the operating Pilot-in-Command's initials too

And his being a M2K pilot, can he honestly say that he was not expecting a retaliation from an aircraft on CAP?

There is something known as sensationalism to grab eyeballs.

Mi-17 downing, I knew on 27th itself. But did you find me post of it openly? Except for hinting at it once or twice, I kept mum. It is because, you need to be thorough before opening up.

I did comment about his article being full of sensationalism.
Second thing is I may be wrong but I think @vstol Jockey also claimed something similar about the AWACS. You two had a good 2-3 page discussion about that.

 

[Deathstar]

Sameer Joshi is so off facts, claiming that there was no AWACS on station and became airborne only when PAF moved in. When confronted on twitter, with Vishnu Som as his champiom tagged in, he did not even reply. I offered to tell him the operating Pilot-in-Command's initials too

And his being a M2K pilot, can he honestly say that he was not expecting a retaliation from an aircraft on CAP?

There is something known as sensationalism to grab eyeballs.

Mi-17 downing, I knew on 27th itself. But did you find me post of it openly? Except for hinting at it once or twice, I kept mum. It is because, you need to be thorough before opening up.

Minus sensationalism , what do u think about this article , the proofs , calculations about F16 downing???

 

[vstol Jockey]

I did comment about his article being full of sensationalism.
Second thing is I may be wrong but I think @vstol Jockey also claimed something similar about the AWACS. You two had a good 2-3 page discussion about that.

I had stated that AWACS was not on station. It moved into station later. It was well south of the incident, somewhere over Punjab. It was for this reason that the entire battle was controlled by the GCIOs.

 

[Sathya]

I did comment about his article being full of sensationalism.
Second thing is I may be wrong but I think @vstol Jockey also claimed something similar about the AWACS. You two had a good 2-3 page discussion about that.

U also said same thing previously..
Second part..

 

[screambowl]

If you dont Fight a War for 48 Years , then
Mistakes and Judgement errors will happen

The last war was in 1971

All the Changes and Improvements in our
National Security Framework have happened after Setbacks

Right from 1962 onwards till Mumbai 26/ 11
We have been waking up after a Certain
Unhappy Event

Indians themselves don't want war. There are border areas and there are cities , people in cities especially youth itself living in la la land of all good and great. And the people in cities build the narrative. They saw one Abhinandan falling down from sky and oh my god save him , war is bad, oh no this is inhumane. They all want rum and disco and fu*cking showoff all the time.

Indian people need to be made realize that this freedom is not for free!

jis din siren bajega aur blackout hoga us din samajh ayega jung kya hoti hai aur svatantrata muft ki nahi

@Falcon I have a thread ban there so you can quote me here if you wish to

 

[Ashwathama]

U also said same thing previously..
Second part..

Are you talking about me saying AWACS was not in station? I didn't know the situation how could I make this claim?

 

[Ashwin]

this is part 2 of the show.......

And these Pakistanis makes fun of Bollywood.
This looks more like a Filmfare award show with mediocre actors.

 

[Sulla84]

And these Pakistanis makes fun of Bollywood.
This looks more like a Filmfare award show with mediocre actors.

Exactly..
Between that H-4 Bomb got pretty close to the ammo dump...in Nowshera

 

[rockstarIN]

come on man,you can see the actual terrain.they recorded entire video.many here said that we ran away and dropped bobs in haste.that recording clearly shows complete control.do you see the actual recording?he was in total control.it was intentional to drop bombs in open fields.

Why no mention of doosra pilot aka three minus two minus one?

 

[randomradio]

And these Pakistanis makes fun of Bollywood.
This looks more like a Filmfare award show with mediocre actors.

I wonder if they realise these videos are immortal and people are going to make memes out of these 20 or 30 years later.

 

[screambowl]

I don't know why but I fear that this time India will lose a small scale skirmish with Pakistan. Some how luck is with them as they caught Indian pilot and India had to stop. If the message to Pakistani has been given that India does not want escalation and let's negotiate back channel and they still want to propagate then India will win. Bhagwad Geetha says negotiate till last resort.

On that day also India lost IAF men. Luck was not with India that day for sure.

 

[nair]

I don't know why but I fear that this time India will lose a small scale skirmish with Pakistan

How did you come to such a conclusion???? I would love to listen to this, as one should know the other side of the coin too....

Some how luck is with them as they caught Indian pilot and India had to stop.

So What makes you say that India had to Stop?? You have been reading the stand off thread, and if you could comprehend that thread, I am sure you would not have made the above post..

If the message to Pakistani has been given that India does not want escalation and let's negotiate back channe

So you were informed what happend on Feb 27th onwards....... Do enlighten us.....

 

[DivineHeretic]

I don't know why but I fear that this time India will lose a small scale skirmish with Pakistan. Some how luck is with them as they caught Indian pilot and India had to stop. If the message to Pakistani has been given that India does not want escalation and let's negotiate back channel and they still want to propagate then India will win. Bhagwad Geetha says negotiate till last resort.

On that day also India lost IAF men. Luck was not with India that day for sure.

Imagine this is Dec 7, 1941: Imperial Japanese forces have smashed the Battleships in Battleship Row, killed 2500+ and rendered the Pacific Fleet crippled in one decisive strike. They got away clean too.

Assume this is the speech FDR makes: I fear that this time USA will lose against Japan. Some how luck is with them as they decimated the Pacific Fleet USN couldnt even respond. On that day also USN lost 2500 men. Luck was not with USA that day for sure.

Or imagine this is September 1940: The Wehrmacht has smashed France out of the war and kicked in the face of British Expeditionary Army.
Winston Churchill goes infront of the Parliament: Gentlemen, I fear that this time Britain will lose against Pakistan. Some how luck is with them as they demolished the French and our army.

Of May, 1999: The lead scouting parties of Indian army have been cut down by well concealed, well positioned PA regulars in Kargil. The counterattacks have failed, two jets and a helicopter have been shot down. Another Reconnaisance aircraft damaged.

PM Vajpayee to Parliament: I fear that this time India will lose a small scale skirmish with Pakistan. Some how luck is with them as they caught Indian pilots. India lost IA and IAF men. Luck was not with India that day for sure.

Why the constant, relentless whining? If you have a problem do something about it. Atleast help find a solution about it. If you can't, stand aside and let people who have hope and courage do something about it. Your whining helps no one, is useless and rather annoying.