Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

rockstarIN said:
IF, their primary targets were AFBs, then we would have really done very nasty stuff during earlier night bombing and it was not in Balakot but other two sites. Should we believe BABA's tweet?
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No comments on Baba's tweets. The handle is off facts at times.
 
Lies and more lies.
All four missiles were accounted for on abhinandan plane.
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Falcon said:
Nope.

And that is where the aam Pakistani thinks from his/her backside.

Why would you waste a SOW only to remove its fuzes when you could have achieved the very same result, in the very same area with a dumb bomb tossed up and without fuze at a fraction of the cost?

This is where the average Pakistani is an idiot. And most of Indians too.

The area you have supposedly targeted is next to LC. Easily could be targeted with a LGB from an artillery gun. Or with dumb bombs from PAF without fuzes, and same result would have been achieved.

But my dear sir, PAF used SOWs, from within own territories ... and targets were on LC?

Now I will give you a theory to munch over. Said it earlier too.


1. Primary Targets were Avantipore and Srinagar AFBs.
2. Due to jamming and active CAPs, PAF switched over to secondary targets.
3. Failed to achieve as the same were jammed & failed to 'arm' themselves as they reached the target area.
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We were in total command.we dropped dumb bombs or bombs without fuses just to give a proper reply.it was like iaf dropped bombs so we can also do that.we dropped bombs on 4 different places,not one.i feel that there was no jamming otherwise paf would never call the mission a success.paf is professional.we also use satellites.just think about your missile battery which put down your own helicopter.we knew about that particular Sam that's why we didn't come close to your sam.if Sam licks your jet,chances of survival are minimum.

Falcon there was no jamming.if jamming occurred,iaf should give hint.
 
thinkingcap81 said:
I don't understand why PAF & PA wanted to cause serious damage which would have led to escalation and negative consequences for Pakistan. I don't buy the theory of Pak armed forces' desire to show off martial race supremacy to its public at all costs. Or maybe they do and hence prefer to take things to the edge and then hope to not receive an adequate response.
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The intent may not have been to hit the bases per se but merely to use a weapon that fell into the vicinity. The SOWs are ideal for such a deployment due to the distance of the bases from LC.

The fact that the PAF fighters releases the weapons from near the LC is indicative ... the range envelope has to be taken into account
 
vstol Jockey said:
Even I have a feeling that the main targets were Srinagar and Awantipore AFBs. Pak chose PAF to respond to Balakot and it was supposed to be an action against IAF which did Balakot and not IA. One more thing which gives credence to this is the fact that as a counterattack for 27th raid, India had decided to destroy 13 PAF bases using Brahmos. And these bases had been locked by Brahmos on that night. IN was supposed to take out two of them from Sea.
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Won't comment on the specifics of the targets .... but generally, yes sir.
 
Falcon said:
Well, if you recall, US Special Forces Commander was in India immediately.

There was a US proposal to de-escalate. And other strategic considerations.

The only point was, had Abhinandan not been released, we would have seen BrahMos in air definitely.
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Yes true and an attack from indian Navy was most likely.we were all over the place.there we're many jets and most of them armed with anti ship missiles.we were expecting attack.i even heard sirens which were exercises in case of attack.sialkot was hot on 28.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Even I have a feeling that the main targets were Srinagar and Awantipore AFBs. Pak chose PAF to respond to Balakot and it was supposed to be an action against IAF which did Balakot and not IA. One more thing which gives credence to this is the fact that as a counterattack for 27th raid, India had decided to destroy 13 PAF bases using Brahmos. And these bases had been locked by Brahmos on that night. IN was supposed to take out two of them from Sea.
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Indian navy theory is true.we were expecting attack and our jets were ready with anti ship missiles.there was lots of activity.
 
Desi Lover said:
If you close your eyes and truly use your commonsense, you'll realize that Pakistan did not want to actually hit the Indian bases and invite an overwhelming retaliation that it cant survive. It wanted to drop bombs close to the Indian bases to warn our country that it has the capability to hit back and also to show the same to its population.

Those people who are stating the otherwise, their words should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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This is true.i am telling members the same thing since 28 but they don't trust me.we never wanted to Target Indian bases.why start a useless war without any reason xd.
 
Arsalan123 said:
We were in total command.we dropped dumb bombs or bombs without fuses just to give a proper reply.it was like iaf dropped bombs so we can also do that.we dropped bombs on 4 different places,not one.i feel that there was no jamming otherwise paf would never call the mission a success.paf is professional.we also use satellites.just think about your missile battery which put down your own helicopter.we knew about that particular Sam that's why we didn't come close to your sam.if Sam licks your jet,chances of survival are minimum.

Falcon there was no jamming.if jamming occurred,iaf should give hint.
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Elta/2888 will always be with MKIs during CAPs. It is especially for jamming F-16s. What do you think, we have jamming pod with MKI and will not use it? remember we have very high experiance with Blk 52s of RSAF ststoined in India for quite a long time.
 
rockstarIN said:
Elta/2888 will always be with MKIs during CAPs. It is especially for jamming F-16s. What do you think, we have jamming pod with MKI and will not use it? remember we have very high experiance with Blk 52s of RSAF ststoined in India for quite a long time.
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Sir you are dealing here with paf and not any other air Force.why pakistan is alive today despite economic problems? Even if give respect to paf.we also give respect to iaf.we are professionals.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Sir you are dealing here with paf and not any other air Force.why pakistan is alive today despite economic problems? Even if give respect to paf.we also give respect to iaf.we are professionals.
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Being professional does not change AN/APG68 pulse doppler radar into AESA. You can read what our Ex pilots are thinking about PAF now.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
@Arsalan123

Both of us should prepare for the Next Conflict RATHER than Indulging in Hair Splitting of the Previous One

Next Conflict will happen Soon
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I completely agree with you.past is past.we don't feel shame when we say balakot happened.it was very clever by iaf but you learn through such incidents.i am worried bout future conflict because it will escalate further.i think we are just one bomb blast away from conventional war.i think war is bad but aggressive indian approach will not give time to pakistan.right now,time is opportunity.we have learned lessons from balakot.we must focus.there are many internal problems but nobody in Pakistan wants war but it will happen now whether we like it or not.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Pakistan is alive because we had spineless leaders till date. Let us see if Pakistan survives Modi's this tenure.
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I think we must not talk about war and chest thumping should not start before war.you are veteran.i am sure we will survive your pm tenure but I think we will see lots of damage.already we have seen damage on loc.i am more worried about air wars.
 
Arsalan123 said:
I completely agree with you.past is past.we don't feel shame when we say balakot happened.it was very clever by iaf but you learn through such incidents.i am worried bout future conflict because it will escalate further.i think we are just one bomb blast away from conventional war.i think war is bad but aggressive indian approach will not give time to pakistan.right now,time is opportunity.we have learned lessons from balakot.we must focus.therd are many internal problems but nobody in Pakistan wants war but it will happen now whether we like it or not.
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There is always choices dear friend, whether you need be a single entity or suicide for Kashmir. You really messed up with wrong guy. It is a fault of your think tanks ultimately. You got enough signals, like surgical strikes in Myanmar & POK even docklam.
You can even see such notion in your forums with sane member posts.
 
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