Can we know the reason from crashed in the 80s? Appropriate time has passed??Out of the parkwe should not these full toss go waste. (That's enough trolling before you start hammering me.)
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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I don't understand why PAF & PA wanted to cause serious damage which would have led to escalation and negative consequences for Pakistan. I don't buy the theory of Pak armed forces' desire to show off martial race supremacy to its public at all costs. Or maybe they do and hence prefer to take things to the edge and then hope to not receive an adequate response.
IF, their primary targets were AFBs, then we would have really done very nasty stuff during earlier night bombing and it was not in Balakot but other two sites. Should we believe BABA's tweet?
I had stated that Baba is an official handle who uses information to at times even mix up things. On 26th we bombed three non military targets. Than we had 27th but Ninda Turtle had talked of three air attacks across LOC. Probably the two sites as told by Baba were targeted in the third unannounced strike. I am not sure. I am just putting two+two together. We do know for sure that after release of Abhi, for next seven days we had done very heavy punitive strikes across LOC. The supposed Brahmos strikes were stopped but the punishment was mated out on secondary targets of Pak Army. Just the way PAF had to alter their main targets.
Even the Khuzdar strike and and Tarbela incident were done either us directly or thru assets on ground. Let some more come out about them and than I will tell you more.
If you close your eyes and truly use your commonsense, you'll realize that Pakistan did not want to actually hit the Indian bases and invite an overwhelming retaliation that it cant survive. It wanted to drop bombs close to the Indian bases to warn our country that it has the capability to hit back and also to show the same to its population.
Those people who are stating the otherwise, their words should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Those people who are stating the otherwise, their words should be taken with a pinch of salt.
24 aircraft strike package, three support aircraft and 12 glide bombs. Only to send a message? Your logic will find support only in brainwashed population of Pakistan. India is home to people with much larger IQ.
And none of those 12 hit their targets? Sorry.. not believable. These were army bases, not flying sukhois. And obviously Pakistan would not really hit Indian bases as India didn't hit their's. They knew they wont get any support from the international community either after they declared that India dropped bombs on some trees. Basic commonsense. Yes, the package might be big but that might be to show strength and to defend own aircrafts against indian counter air attack.
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Also problem with jamming theory is if you (Su30) can jam so effectively from 70km (let's assume along with ground assets) you can come few Km closer and knock few enemies out when they are taking aim at you (and you are rendering that incoming missile useless with jamming).
We had discussed this long ago.
Pakistan resorted to a knee-jerk reaction, which was pointed out on the same day as the strike took place.
We killed hundreds of terrorists in three different locations, so they had to demonstrate to their jihadi partners that they can resort to punishing strikes as well. Different story that they didn't realise their SOWs would all fail. How else would you explain how their SOWs missed by many kilometers? As much as 3 Km.
The Pakistanis are world famous for knee-jerk reactions.
The ground jamming might be effective only when the guided bombs are close to the jammers. Aircraft jammers might not be so powerful against multiple incoming missiles.
As far as the fuses being live on the bombs, the bombs can still be made to miss the targets inspite of live fuses. But won't the bombs explode if the fuses are live even if the bombs miss the targets? If so then why didn't the bombs go off after missing their targets?
Jehadis versus army installations? Hard to believe that anyone can be that mad.
Pakistani generals do not have a superiority complex. Their whole nuclear bogey is based on the premise that a conventional attack by India, would invite a disproportionate response by Pakistan, which would then escalate to the nuclear level. They took the risk to preserve the sanctity of their doctrine. That they were not able to do any damage is another matter.
Why is it not believable?
It's a machine, a single workable tactic is enough to defeat it, no matter how many times the tech is used. When it comes to technology, one weakness is enough.
That's where the saying "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" comes from.
When it comes to SOWs, there are so many points of failures that you can easily disrupt the kill chain if the SOW tech isn't advanced enough. And every man and his dog knows India has better tech than Pakistan does. All you have to do is disrupt the data links between the SOW and the aircraft or satellite. This will cut off manual guidance as well as autonomous guidance. The INS will not be able to compensate for the drift due to satellite disruption either.
Take that Naushera strike that the Pakistanis released. The SOW couldn't pinpoint the correct coordinates via satellite so the target box was elsewhere. And the pilot did his best to place the crosshair on the target manually, but his link continued being disrupted so the missile shifted between the target and the target box constantly. In the end, the pilot gave up and the SOW drifted away to the left, and later even the video feed was cut off. And that bomb was the closest to the target. All other bombs missed by ridiculous margins, as much as 3Km in some cases. If it wasn't for the jamming, and the Pakistanis actually intended to miss deliberately, then the entire flight would have been smooth. And the CEP wouldn't have been many kilometers instead. All this proved is Pakistan needs new data links.
Why so? PA regulars have been fighting the US Army in Afghanistan. Did you forget they fought the Soviet Union for nearly a decade there? Kargil War was the same. They pretended jihadis attacked India instead of regular army.
There really is no difference between PA and the jihadis. And the jihadis expect the PA to protect them anyway.
The number of bombs don't matter. Only the data links have to be jammed, and PAF uses only one type of link for the Mirages and JF-17s.
PA can support jehadis and mix with them as well to support them. But that is under cover of supposed anonymity. IAF struck terrorist facilities and the GoI emphasised on this point. I don't see why, purely as as a response, should PAF deliberately try to target IA & IAF installations with the intention of causing serious damage. How can they not expect any Indian retaliation?
Can the bombs not explode even if they miss their targets? At least some bombs can explode.
If the PA don't respond to outright attacks like what India did, then the jihadis will stop fighting for the PA. All those who infiltrate India would end up going underground citing lack of support from the PA.
At worst, India will attack again, and then the international community will step in after. This way, they get to respond to Indian aggression using the same stick and then hide behind the international community. This would, according to their thought process, sucessfully internationalize the Kashmir issue, which is their main intention. And would also placate the jihadis. Of course, they were also possibly prepared to escalate if India struck a second time. Regardless, it would have brought the international community in.
Different story if the plan was to retake PoJK in case PA's Swift Retort was successful, but it doesn't look like our plan was anything more than retaliatory strikes, whether it was via Brahmos or more air strikes or whatever. So this tu tu mein mein can be repeated multiple times. If we hit them with Brahmos, they would hit us with Babur and Ra'ad. Rinse and repeat.
Even today, PA's main goal is to get the US to intervene. And, as Falcon pointed out, after Swift Retort, the Americans had already stepped in to prevent matters from escalating. And we also wanted our pilot back.
What they hadn't expected is the international community, even the GCC, have decided to abandon them, as we saw after A370 was abrogated. Must have been quite a shock to them. Now we are openly talking about taking back PoJK.
Normally they should self-destruct upon deviation.
Our forces haven't told us clearly what happened to the bombs.