Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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On the on hand you say you want peace. OTOH, you claim we're a bomb blast away from another confrontation yet India is aggressive!! Don't you see the contradiction in your assessment? You expect us to take punishment lying down and if we retaliate, we're considered to be aggressive ?
Aa I have already said,we learned new lessons.we know iaf can cross border any day and we don't make fun of iaf.we give them respect based on their performance and their large fleet.balakot stunned us all but this is past.we are doing lots of things behind the scenes.some of the things are public like new low level radars and sams.many questions raised after balakot and we even consulted China and they are helping us by giving us new weapons so we can defend but it requires attention.
NP is 50Km away from LoC.
Section picnic? Platoon picnic? Company picnic? Battalion picnic?
I explained several times about groups that operate in your kashmir.some of them abandoned pakistan because they feel that we betray them.we asked them to stop targeting indian army because we were under pressure.anyway if something happens,war will start.i am 100% sure.these groups are out of control.
I am thinking about future conflict.what will happen? What would be indian reaction? Brahmos? Air intrusion to Target something just like balakot? Indian navy attack or all out conventional war?
You have upper hand but we also use tactics.we already know about your systems.we used su-30 Chinese copy in our exercises just to prepare ourselves to deal with iaf su-30.we are looking for more jets as well.
On your side. Yes.
They were not dumb bombs but SOWs. Understand the difference. The latter has a large operating range envelope. H4 SOWs have 120 kms range. Now, just for reference, have drawn the air distance from Naushera to Awantipore Airbase's midpoint.
Feel is quite different from facts. Know precisely the picture and the Pilot in Command of Phalcon on our side whose platform was tracking PAF ACs moving in. That is why I keep saying that those claiming IAF AWACS was not airborne and was 'scrambled' have no clue of what they are talking (I know the precise time for 'hot start' of Phalcons as also time for them to reach the altitude required be effectively deployed for the type of coverage that exists with us). Similarly, on your side, from the map above, you yourself can see the logic falls flat over choice of weapon and target selected.
Mind you I am not saying they did not drop the weapon where they intended, only that the primary target was not reachable thanks to jamming from IAF and only the secondary could be targeted and that was ineffective due to failure of weapons to arm themselves. It met the mission objectives? Yes, in a away, as they could deploy weapon on secondary targets. Did it convey the message needed? Nope. Did PAF want to convey the message? Only to Pakistani Awaam. And a bit for IAF, only in so far that they too have capability ... which was found short in retrospective analysis.
Mind you AMRAAMs were used against Su-30 in the hope of downing one, which was rather futile. So when PAF was not hesistant in targeting Su-30MKIs within Indian air space, what makes you think SOWs were without fuze?
You do not use any real time satellite imagery ...
As for the SAM, nope, you only speculated. Not even IAF knew for certain, except for those who were standing right at Srinagar AFB.
Except for exactly 03 members here, who have met me in Bagalore Air Show, you along with anyone else, have no clue as to how I would be knowing these things
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I can give even boring insights as to what precisely was said to @vstol Jockey daughter and other women officers at the IAF Pavillion by the Avro CO who was conducting them there that day ...
Quite a boring guy I am
I can give even boring insights as to what precisely was said to @vstol Jockey daughter and other women officers at the IAF Pavillion by the Avro CO who was conducting them there that day ...
Quite a boring guy I am
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Yes, she was there and also flew the F-21 simulator. Infact my Bro-in-Law has retd from IAF as a Gp. Capt and now works for L3. He too was there and i was also there on the last day. But did not attend the air show.@Arsalan123
I can give even boring insights as to what precisely was said to @vstol Jockey daughter and other women officers at the IAF Pavillion by the Avro CO who was conducting them there that day ...
Quite a boring guy I am
Let us say you are right about everything.so why you say awacs there and vstol said no awacs? I understand your point of sows.yes sir no fuses and yes we tried to hit su-30s.no fuses because we know your capabilities.we weren't there to start a war.do you know what will happen if we drop bombs directly on indian installment? We aren't fools.On your side. Yes.
They were not dumb bombs but SOWs. Understand the difference. The latter has a large operating range envelope. H4 SOWs have 120 kms range. Now, just for reference, have drawn the air distance from Naushera to Awantipore Airbase's midpoint.
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Feel is quite different from facts. Know precisely the picture and the Pilot in Command of Phalcon on our side whose platform was tracking PAF ACs moving in. That is why I keep saying that those claiming IAF AWACS was not airborne and was 'scrambled' have no clue of what they are talking (I know the precise time for 'hot start' of Phalcons as also time for them to reach the altitude required be effectively deployed for the type of coverage that exists with us). Similarly, on your side, from the map above, you yourself can see the logic falls flat over choice of weapon and target selected.
Mind you I am not saying they did not drop the weapon where they intended, only that the primary target was not reachable thanks to jamming from IAF and only the secondary could be targeted and that was ineffective due to failure of weapons to arm themselves. It met the mission objectives? Yes, in a away, as they could deploy weapon on secondary targets. Did it convey the message needed? Nope. Did PAF want to convey the message? Only to Pakistani Awaam. And a bit for IAF, only in so far that they too have capability ... which was found short in retrospective analysis.
Mind you AMRAAMs were used against Su-30 in the hope of downing one, which was rather futile. So when PAF was not hesistant in targeting Su-30MKIs within Indian air space, what makes you think SOWs were without fuze?
You do not use any real time satellite imagery ...
As for the SAM, nope, you only speculated. Not even IAF knew for certain, except for those who were standing right at Srinagar AFB.
Except for exactly 03 members here, who have met me in Bagalore Air Show, you along with anyone else, have no clue as to how I would be knowing these things
Pakistan also operates Chinese satellites for real time monitoring.it is not public but I think we use them.i think everything happened for a purpose and i hope things will not escalate next time.
My God your daughter was there.good to know! Looks like military runs in your veins xd.
Great.i think you should meet vstol in real life and discuss about 27 because I feel both of you have different views about awacs.you are an inside man.you know details from inside.circle within circle!@Arsalan123
I can give even boring insights as to what precisely was said to @vstol Jockey daughter and other women officers at the IAF Pavillion by the Avro CO who was conducting them there that day ...
Quite a boring guy I am